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    The Howard Simon ShowA multimedia feed for content related to The Howard Simon ShowAudioKKWFstxwgr550true92 Howard Simon Show HR 2PubDate2014-09-02T08:00:00-04:00Tue, 2 Sep 2014Created2014-09-02T08:00:13-04:00Tue, 2 Sep 2014Updated2014-09-02T08:02:32-04:00Tue, 2 Sep 2014audio/mpegbecauseyoumayhavechangedyouropinionbasedonthesigningofKyleOrton.Youmaylookatit--guysyouknowseventystarts3535.Theminutethere'stroublethe--Morton'sin--maybe--youknowitwouldn't.IsolateitwhenwecommittedsodealtKyleOrtonisRussellWilson.ButIdidn'tsaythatyoudidyou----DanielforRussellWilsonand.Havenotcomparinginallpretty.Can'tgettheminthebathandIlookatKyleOrtonhehasbigplaypeopledowninDallaswhenhecameinthatfinalgamehehaddoesBryant.HehadwrittenthatIthenhegotthemtheballareyougottadoisgetthese.He'sa500cornerbackAdamthankbythewaythe500quarterbackjustinterjectthishereandI'mnot35and35.These--willthinkIliketheKyleOrtonsigningbutjustsothecallerknows.Hegotthemtheball.----lesserpercentagethatEJhasgottenthemtheandTrentEdwardsandBillyJosephColbertandrunthatPatrickandToddCollinsandI'd--atthelistgoesonandoneach.There'sno.IwouldneverwantmyfootballorganizationsoperateonwordI'mlookingthatweanamoebalikewiththeremoteandKyleOrtonhasno--YeahbecausewedoCollinssaw.----himwiththebills.Theyhavesortof----anamoebalike--thatisnoI'mnotthat'swhydoyouratemight--biologyhadnoIdon'tknowwhatthewordI'mlookingorsomedelegatesanyway.Andthepointis.He'she'sjust--weirdnumbersthatIdon'tknowwhattodoitnowasI'mlookingoverhispagebecause.HowardhehasfourseasonsOKIwanttotellyouthiswhatKyleOrtonhehasfourseasons.Wherehehasstarted.Eightormoregames.AndinthosefourseasonsheonlyhasalosingknowIlookIcannameyoujustcalledyoujustcalledKyleOrtonandaonecelled--Zola.CharacterizedbygranularnucleussurroundedbyjellylikemassofSaitoplowsthemthatformstemporarytheteamtomakeachangethatindicatethatwhole--back.KyleOrtontobefrankIthinkyouthebestquarterbackwe'vethatextra--thegonnawrap.SoIIthinkwhenwe--thanksformakingmelaugh.Kyle--thebestquarterbacksinDrewBledsoeisnotacomplimenttoKyleOrtonit'smoreforcondemnationofthepreviousquarterbacksand--actuallywhatitbutbutsaysIdon'tlookatitasaplayerwouldlookatacompletelydifferent.IfI'maplayerandAJ--inweekoneImightbethinkinggoaheadputKyleOrtonandbecauseIjustwanttowin.WhatIdon'tlookatitthatwayIlookatitasthisfranchiseasyoujustpointedouthasbeendying.ForaquarterbacktomeetKyleOrtonisnottheanswerEJManuelmightnotbeeither.ButIdon'tknowandIwon'tknowafterwhogamesorabombitjustisn'tenoughforme.Thisisn't2002anymoreTrentDilferoranytimebeforethatthisisthenewageNFL.Therulesaredifferentthey'reset--profitsisascore.becauseusuallythat'snotthekindofacts.PeakingabovetheamoebaKyleOrton--newnickname----giveagame----giveKyleOrtonaroundofapplause.For.Thankyouthankyouthankgodit's--Kyle.Forthewayhe'shandledthisentiresituationhegetshissigningbonusfromDallasCowboys.HecomesfortheBuffaloBillsattheverylastsecondhesitanttogototrainingcampbecauseattheplayinthestupidpreseasongamescomesinandhemighteventuallystart.Imeanjust.WellplayedIreallymeaniswellplayedbyKyleOrton.WarohyeshecouldgetfivemilliondollarsforstandingonthesidelineallseasontheVijayplayseverygamehe'sgettingfivemilliondollarstowatchthebillsplayangrilytakesJerryJonesmoneylikethat.Andrunsawayisagoodguyinmybookandthat'sexactlywhatImeanisthattheNFLuseand----players--thrownoutlikejunkyougethurtyou'redonegetitbuttwo--you'reoutwedon'tcare.Ontothenextguy.KyleOrtonstooduptothemanwhatdoKyleOrtonandMatthewcollarhavingcompetenttostandthattheman--allpaid--hidingouttowatchthebills.Nomatchsports sports_football96262152http://audio.wgr550.com/hosting/media/wgr550/1268190/96262152/92-howard-simon-show-hr-2-96262152.mp392 Howard Simon Show HR 2Kyle Orton#Trent Dilfer#Drew Bledsoe#Todd Collins#Matt Cassel#Buffalo Bills#Dallas Cowboys#Super Bowl#Cole Hamels1268190 PZSID_00012681908132658e938dced2ff4edc57d88b1bd9373#873#2052/Audio#/EZNavType/Audiohttp://audio.wgr550.com/hosting/media/wgr550/1268190/96262152/92-howard-simon-show-hr-2-96262152.mp392 Howard Simon Show HR 22014-09-02T08:00:00Z2014-09-02T08:25:18Z96262152Seven LA Howard's column. View. With here and church here is off the we'll be back on Friday. follow him on Twitter he's up. He's not sleeping this morning showed disease. Colorado has case morning disease I hate you. Hey you going to be Saturday he doesn't not talking Saturday as I was up. At 5 o'clock in the morning go back to sleep. I'll tell you can not have to do this get up for work every day at 5 o'clock in the morning mean You mean you love you did this to me now now you have me with. Track. forced. To. Did you do it on your home. that I get to work with now and then somehow connect and can't pass that cut out and then a I don't know what's in a I think I think this is like football season now you guys are in your alleged hate us he should hate my god you are. On this regularly so it is what it is your body will adjust accordingly. Basket case they'll be here right mornings afternoons evenings he the guy should be a you know life right now and it. Was getting a little tough there for awhile but I have to say I don't know when the magic number curse for everybody but. Not what I'm thinking the magic number was just before nine months my son he's been sleeping. Not that would please so good lately they go I don't know if it's nine months is the magic number. But it's been so much different just like shipped overnight so. I think they can at least for allowing little morsel. Lawyer were ready to go or lie awake and were rated it's not the only eagle 305 is that the equipment for you like The other jitters about the magic number how old you get when you can't sleep wake up early every day no matter what I was kind of an we that it never make it through the night at the magic number on the back in front end that threat not sleeping with discussion and a birdie at the magic number. Eight all three or tragic number in this 8030550. To join us. 888552. Deputy. Is opening week. The bills the bears Sunday we have recovered by the way here on WG RR full day of bills coverage is back. And I'm sure you'll be excited to hear that it starts at 7 o'clock with one Matthew breakfast with the back for another season your Sunday gained started seven with Matthew. 8 o'clock game day with Jeremy like 10 o'clock count down to kick off with walk. 1 o'clock kick with John Murphy and mark Kelso bringing you the call on the sidelines turn down the TVs down. It's. Kenny Albert. Tony Siragusa I wanna say Daryl Johnston I believe that the fox game and yet I. I want him well during those guys down music box games aren't Johnson fans up there Lewiston don't take it personal. Turn the TV sound down with that our guys post game show at my job in the Bulldog then collar. Because he can never sleep anymore app brings you overtime Sunday night. After the post game show we'll take a Sunday football and that would be Indianapolis and Denver so we got you covered. Game days to block it in the WGR Sports Radio 550 and listen all that. wanna point out because. It's totally different this year there are some games. The CBS fox and this last year a little bit that it was a bills game. That. Israel's game that was supposed to be CBS but it was a box crew or vice Versa I remember thinking. Hey wait a minute what's what's going. Maybe I thought I was a game as I know there's more I think there's two or three this year though that those are going to be on box when I wrote right instead of on so. We want you listen obviously us but you're gonna watch the game. Turn it down but it's gonna be on that's and uninteresting. and I believe it's the only one from what I've seen. The road team from the AFC is on tax so either way. Was the number of and now on the sidelines I'd if you're just joining us 8030550808550. Q 550. We're been talking about Egypt for a number of threes one at the quarterback to he wasn't good this pre season three the bills just redid their quarterback depth chart. brought a veteran quarterback with seventy career starts making five million dollars a year. How does that all play into affecting Egypt we wanted to talk to you this morning at first are talking about. How long does get and it's a two part question I I wanna hear what you think. How long he gets now. I'll be just getting some this is like crazy some of the stuff on Twitter I'm getting like. Two games. One game and its one month I just don't I mean nine I mean for sixteen games I can't. There's no way and about a website for a move on in my point. How long you think he should get. How long do you think the bills will give him because you may have changed your opinion based on the signing of Kyle Orton. You may look at it guys you know seventy starts 3535. The minute there's trouble the Morton's in maybe you wouldn't have said that with cooler Thad Lewis. So 8030550. And is is always the case. We wanna hear from you on our topic whatever else you wanna talk about what the bills. The the running game the old line the new look receiving the defense whatever is on your mind. Bills in the bears we're here to talk to you this morning when he every grab a full line and join us you've made it through the pre season and congratulations it was long. It was hard. It was boring. At times it was ugly at times it was six weeks and it's over. This week is a real football game at the end of the week so gravel and join us 803055888552. I mean free agent for sixteen games I would be. Any act okay well I guess I have to I have to say when asterisk obviously if you looks like the worst quarterback in history of the National Football League. He's not gonna get sixteen games I know that. But. A game half two games four games. It's crazy if I'm gonna sit here and and and some of of that said the same thing we're gonna spend the whole off season. And all that time training camp talking about guys it flashes last year he wasn't a bomb in my opinion. He wasn't you didn't weren't sold on a related thing he's like completely. lost clause. But we're gonna sit here and say ten games guys that are. I don't know what to think about each you know I'm not sure on the fence I'm 5050 about EJ Manuel. I got to see. Two games four games would be the point it's appearance a ten games isn't enough fourteen is the magic number. The if he plays September he doesn't play well through four games how would fourteen be that much different from ten. I just don't get that so for me I didn't play of let's go you know you gotta get a quarterback. That does anybody do we have we wanna go down this road again they got a draft another quarterback let's wait for the next got to commit. Let's hope they get the guy he'd be good that we want to keep going down this road every two or three years of course not. My point is with him and I don't know off he'll make it maybe he won't. But I need. I need as much evidence as possible and for me that's not for games it's probably not even eight games. I just let the kid play. And let's see if he can actually develop into a quarterback given the season. And if he doesn't. That after the season I'm I'm ready willing able well actually bang on the table and demand the bills move on from the guy. But prior to that to me Sally just bye week in eight games seems like a really good answer. I've just said all off season he's played in sixteen games but see what he does in year two with back. Let's see what he does in year two with around let's see what he does with a new look offensive line let's see what he does their revamped receiving corps. To get him in there let him play assuming he stays healthy. And that'll make my mind up after the 2014 season about EJ Manuel. Well let's make this perfectly clear I mean. Having this discussion and many levels stinks but it is our job somewhere you talked about local area we have this does and why are we having it because Jeff tools along the back up that there was no longer the back Orton was signed for five million dollar a year deal. And I think that speaks to how they're thinking. Over one bills drive I believe there's a bit of a ship that's gone on there. Over the last couple of weeks which is all right look we gave this every tool every resource and we gave him the top at some backing. Of saying we don't want to look over shall we wanted to know he's the man right. But what we've seen so far we need have a contingency plan and we need to start thinking about what really happens if he continues to struggle. I believe they're going to be willing to make the change that happens now that's ahead. I don't want it to happen I hope we're sitting here we on net. It was good you know what if it doesn't look great he's good enough that this team can we make they're still hot let's not even more about that let's not talk about that. Our job is to. Think about what happens if that is the situation. I say. Straight games if he's playing poorly not necessarily record reflection that could be it. Necessarily record reflection playing well in the three and I because the heat that's just for some reason blows up in injuries or the running game ever gets in gear whatever. Or completely and they're winning. games because of the running game or defense if he's playing poorly. I think eight games eight weeks up week at eight week eight. then owes it to everybody else in that locker was a professional collecting a paycheck say. Look we have eight games left we're gonna do whatever it takes to try and I hope we need to go down this road I want to get to succeed. I hope we can't I think this week is an and actually succeed. That the bears have the 32 ranked run defense last year. I've watched some tape on them in the pre season looks well on defense they look slow on the edges I think the bills can run on them. And there are some things underneath the can take advantage of running backs and tight so. To me this week. Is a week that he can't have some success. I don't know if they can. Outscored the bears because you know. Let's talk about Marshall in in jeopardy but arguably the connection success this weekend. Let's hope that that we don't have this discussion eight weeks and what do you do now. But if that scenario creeps up. It's a more realistic possibility now that pulled in another direction sooner than many other people thought 08030550. To join us 888550. To 550. And we are. Off to Anthony in buffalo at the on W jogger right ahead. Hey Howard and now I you don't a good good you know powered. Much in use here at night I I just wanted to. try to attack and I'll leave it let let me just let me just make my real quick. We've waited longer than any fan base. Can't use it. Not appoint if that guy can't hold them EJ Manuel responsible for fourteen years. Hold on second that would let me say this ball. Let me say that. We and I know what you want to say that but the way he's played. Throughout the summer I only really but isn't it in training camp right the practice. He can't hit anything. I would they hitting hasn't looked good. But we've got talent Aaron out I looked at a situation like Seattle. For example. They won the Super Bowl last year but the previous years they went out that spent all that money on Matt okay they saw that he couldn't play Pete Carroll went we spent the money. We got to keep playing flat yet another guy and Russell Wilson that was performing and put them in there. I will wait here I put EJ and I'm hoping that we're wrong apple played well. But I'm looking at this first game. If he's not performing at his play is the same as it was about the pre season in the opener in Chicago and have time I'm looking at all the I have the other. It is important what was the point where we Vijay at all what are you doing. What I would like it. no not at all. The first round you can. Years on each and it all for it but the you know it wouldn't. Isolate it when we committed so dealt Kyle Orton is Russell Wilson. But I didn't say that you did you Daniel for Russell Wilson and. Have not comparing in the Russell looked nice thing that. You gave me an example that Seattle you gave me an example that said Seattle decided not like Matt I Sample of make in the car and not thinking about the money and when that thing is don't think about Egypt being the number one draft let's look at what. That hit seven quarterback ahead of the game. I don't on one person it's one person he's got he's one guy in that either somebody else who didn't have. Seven quarterback to happy to It all pretty. Can't get them in the bath and I look at Kyle Orton he has big play people down in Dallas when he came in that final game he had does Bryant. He had written that I then he got them the ball are you gotta do is get these. He's a 500 cornerback Adam thank by the way the 500 quarterback just interject this here and I'm not 35 and 35. These will think I like the Kyle Orton signing but just so the caller knows. He got them the ball. lesser percentage that EJ has gotten them the ball he what percent 58 point eight east 58 point it's the same it's less important a little less I'm just yet. It's not like he's gone out there and got them the ball so much easier and better. The I didn't assigning and it can't be important here is that. The biggest problem I have like he's angry they're not looking at Russell Wilson in the a war that's it's Orton right. It's hot war folks but the biggest problem I have is you have to die now look it. Reached at the I'll give you this part of your Europe apprentice. If you reach the conclusion and you partially have. Apparently I don't have that opinion right now. I think that's still a jump to a conclusion after ten games and and that's why I would say I would play EJ let him play it out and then I've got a larger body of work if you've already reached that conclusion that you're gonna disagree with me. But you can't reach that conclusion based on what Howard we've suffered for fourteen years you can't. It's not fair to this guy you evaluate EJ Manuel on 23 team. And what you've seen in this offseason and the pre season. You don't about EJ Manuel and and say I'd pulled out shoot on him in game one he's not good at halftime why. Because J. P. Losman and Trent Edwards and Billy Joseph Colbert and run that Patrick and Todd Collins and I'd at the list goes on and on each. There's no. I would never want my football organizations operate on get to have because of the previous fourteen years that's that's the Ludacris just. No way. I just like I don't think it. Doug should be judged on fourteen years of personal knows the same thing right you judge that that what judge what on what Doug Whaley has done you judge each day. On what EJ has done and you don't. Make a snap decision because we haven't had a quarterback here's Jim Kelly retired but let's go to rich and port richer on WG right ahead. Listen I think what kind of forgotten lyrics have built themselves. The bill correctly but I'll consult. At the playoffs and this year. Well now Seoul were there and landed hard on the chopping block here. got to let from the world have to that you don't really all below what they are not mutually manual. Although there are there to perform but one important not to play mentor. You can't replace what goes well. I in are trying to Netflix still. That the total one of our affiliate there at a the total Carling has World War II or deployed trial or. Well they're 105 the season's over Kyle not rescuing you from one in five and if they pulled there's no spin he's not coming back because he's not it's at that that if you bench him I don't I won't I won't accept any minute you documents because you don't that you comply. I don't put an impact this organization. But a little bit about go to my amateur without the organization were crucial. But that's right at the look at right in front of us know if if they if they pull plummets because he didn't play well going to say were pulling him because we've. They can be beneficial to lark they But I wouldn't buy it. I think they'd say that they'd say we need to win games in India we need to make if they parliament's rich because they've they've decided to move on meet him. And I just think at least for the time for me if you're going to make that if you're going to definitively say. He's done. He's not gonna be our guy were going in another direction I don't do that after two games four games in six games or eight games I do it after a season. A full season of watching this guy. 8030550. To join us 88550. To 550 jobless guy. Joining us in studio at 8 this morning headlines open couple guys dropped out if you got a busy signal. In this segment we have some open lines or not you wanna get and 8030515. To join us. On WG. It's one ball and two strikes to build in the pitch. Out to the right site. Phillies and headed next while the no hitter in franchise history it's the first. And no hitter behind the Phillies. Actually your question I like to play. I do have a serious question about that. Powered cell Matthew with you here on WGR a brand spanking new web WGR 550 dot com pertaining to our main topic of discussion today. How many games would you give EJ Manuel to prove himself this season. Eagle 30550 to join in on the discussion. You can the web Paul from these choices we gave you 3 choices this morning. As soon as he struggles he's out and Orton gets the job. He has until the bye week that would be eight games wore the full season. You can voted WGR 550 dot com I clicked on the full season you can call us at 8030550. And let us know your thoughts we are getting ready for the bills and the bears. Opening coverage of the Buffalo Bills on Sports Radio 550 WGR. Is presented by value homesteaders. Want Experience and a winning team shop fast shop Smart shot value home center. Howard. Quick question that it gives you got folks who wanna talk about the bills each if your Phillies fan or I didn't like six guys combine them and the Astros at yankees stadium you know who started a game for the Mariners. Felix and its. Kevin mill and how it. Came out actually that you remember not mention his name your question. Your Phillies there. You celebrate. Yet lead in the eighth inning oh god they got a thing your buddies are you really. That no apparent no hitter. Errors. And better and I that your that I would have an impact for me and I and by the way. Mets fan who waited fifty years for the first no hitter in the history of the franchise. evident that I was watching the game and I ducked out when they took Cole Hamels and I tried that once the starter leaves me time. Notes and it is it would mean it. I I get it's not the same but it's still a no hitter still your team death in a chance to do some very cool excellent and on the when my time in the history of baseball yes. You know they'll look at all these guys are committed. I think war for the fact of how much pressure's on each reliever coming in and that. Situation but have to get three outs. Nobody knew that they interviewed even if it's a no you commit to him and just get this out of the seventh Tim Kirk. They each kind of sadly yeah I was interestingly we knew what was going on and you don't wanna be that guy. I heard Papelbon in the little bit and he says only about relevant for one of one of the biggest thrill it is her and I thought really World Series and they were killed and a little bit higher on the list a combined no hitter but to finish off are asked got to be pretty form OK even though he didn't he didn't start again nothing mightily to me. I don't know what do you what he what's the word you wanna an amoeba I don't know he's what what's the word I'm looking that we an amoeba like with the remote and Kyle Orton has no Yeah because we do Collins saw. him with the bills. They have sort of an amoeba like that is no I'm not that's why do you rate might biology had no I don't know what the word I'm looking or some delegates anyway. And the point is. He's he's just weird numbers that I don't know what to do it now as I'm looking over his page because. Howard he has four seasons OK I want to tell you this what Kyle Orton he has four seasons. Where he has started. Eight or more games. And in those four seasons he only has a losing record wants some. His record in games he started at least it restarted or more games are now a more games his record when he started more than half a year. 1059. And 68 and seven and they had three in ten year okay. But his numbers overall just our. It he's got. Last of the completion percentage that EJ Manuel he does have he's got a positive better reception relays got yeah plus thirty your 25 or something but his interception percentage. His touchdown percentage hits yards per attempt that is yards per completion. Are all literally like point one or point two for a career more than what EJ did his rookie year. So is not. Reserve. Yeah I don't but he's. So I know a loss mean enigma enigma. Don't know I don't know I look I can name you just called you just called Kyle Orton and a one celled Zola. Characterized by granular nucleus surrounded by jelly like mass of Saito plows them that forms temporary extension I don't think I'll sell deal. I'll never let us down Matthew's gonna take that cut it's now going to be or something the enigma is I think enigma is what I wanna thank you it is early in the morning and I go to Syracuse were known for doing this and not you know talking about scientific studies and things like that although Eagle 30550 to join us thank you let's go to show on yeah yes thank you on your unborn children. We're doing most of the proverbial phone to spell it just got pulled over. And got myself cellphone ticket. On her name. And Britain are more civil and then I would edit the cell that's why put the speaker and put on my lap after I call. church doesn't feel that it that it that we get the on the phone equipment couldn't vote wrapped. Anyway. So well right now is this is to have this respect about a lot like we're talking about we have become the realization that it may be another. Rebuilding type year and allowing you to depleted sixteen games and I'm ready to do that revamping of the coach owes it to the rest of the team. That is our quarterback you're not helping us win games and news. Shown to be more of anchoring so much saying he would be bombing if he's not effectively assisting a winning football games. He owes it to the rest of the team to make a change that indicate that whole back. Kyle Orton to be frank I think you the best quarterback we've that extra the gonna wrap. So I I think when we have the opportunity to make that change it become the case and that and only you Jim Angle and vineyards there. Formulate and I still have some hope that he's gonna turn up beat. Very effective but still be seen. The coach that make the call on the institute about the 2014. EJ Manuel 2014. Buffalo Bills it if it turns out to be that the quarterback is holding back from having successful year. I don't think the coach the goat to look at each well well well we don't continue give a full sixteen because we don't DJ. But it also but I'm gonna get back to my original question K so let's say doesn't play well in the first two games. You're pulling him in weeks straight by abide by San Diego Orton and. I think you know the sliding scale here it really has to do help shortly flying immediate. If I don't wanna go down that certainly that would have to complete the bottom has fallen out you know these sprawling. Numerous text of all I'm moving pomp and you've taken a look you know maybe you didn't stop first quarter of the to make that determination where it replicate. What he did a pre season there in the first four games. I don't know if that at that point you have the the team. As competent they should be you know the people started apple how would they amateur the here. we gotta go ahead and it and make a change because this is not helping us win appointment to become a patter. and I think that the players will obviously a couple of pretty quickly you do it Smart enough to know whether or not he got All the players I if I was Blair I'd be I'd be angry if that I would be demanding change is not right from my standpoint you but I look at it differently Sean. And and the hole but thanks for making me laugh. Kyle the best quarterbacks in Drew Bledsoe is not a compliment to Kyle Orton it's more for condemnation of the previous quarterbacks and actually what it but but says I don't look at it as a player would look at a completely different. If I'm a player and AJ in week one I might be thinking go ahead put Kyle Orton and because I just want to win. What I don't look at it that way I look at it as this franchise as you just pointed out has been dying. For a quarterback to meet Kyle Orton is not the answer EJ Manuel might not be either. But I don't know and I won't know after who games or four games. Iberia and I think that. I think that's the talk blunt told to you know I don't and critical to position at all. We've got a bright he's got to make everybody happy. I don't know it is what John appreciate the call sorry about the ticket. Said at the south at south sports and jacket help yes the mom know you're right. world's first job is to win. If you're right it isn't a 2014 EJ Manuel setup and if the bills lose world will at some point this year next year whenever we thought if those don't win football games. So his job is to win games. You know whether it's how ordinary EJ Manuel his record is what will be judged on. But I just it if you're going to the biggest thing this franchise needs is one. Quarterback were tired of were especially to well right up is to actually talking about. How this franchise hasn't had a quarterbacks Jim Kelly retired all in part this is I just can't see. In port gigs at the end of September saying I've reached my conclusion. Each is a bomb it just isn't enough for me. This isn't 2002 anymore Trent Dilfer or any time before that this is the new age NFL. The rules are different they're set profits is a score. The defense can hardly touched people you have spread offenses. And guys you chuck it on the field 4000 yards now quarterbacks do that and it's not that big of a deal where to be an amazing deal cell. That's how you win championships I get it I'll tell you that. The Seahawks were not the blueprint for that. They want last year having the second most rushing attempts in the league I believe so I understand that you can still win that way there's no doubt. I'm just talking about the general rule here they are more the exception. Of what we've seen the last decade plus a football which is your quarterback has to be really good for you to have a chance to win. You brought up earlier and I don't think we actually touched on. The teams who didn't name their candidate right for it like OK OK but I like what I wanna make a point on this I what you're going to save it. What you're gonna tell her body is here are the teams last year. Who did who name court who named captains and that is not that I and the quarterback is on that list it's the bills jaguars the box browns the raiders and the vikings game now what's in common with all of them all had nothing new quarterback bad teams. But I'll say a quarterback to at Hyderabad team that's right so chicken NA. Many where the vikings were gonna name Matt Cassel captain Wright and point I texted mind out of Miami. Who's in the media and I said what is the deal there attainable because last year they did rotating captain I wanna know he's a second year guy entered your guy in. Measures the second year he was not a permanent captain they rotating captains every week and he said to me. He probably will be if name but they don't know they're going to name so again I don't. Much stock to me that if if the jets got the geno Smith was some guy who's such a great leader they would say. What's this whole thing not naming captains we need to make in the guy captain I don't care about this. 8030515. To join us 888550. To five victory got more calls coming up we got Joba scallions studio from eight and nine on WGR. There was kids you know I think you don't know. Just like and around you know and the dismissals right decision for me. This was the right team in this organization for me just get the feeling in the right yeah. Religion how many other places known this opportunity analysts. How how that is the what I called amoeba that's kind of a but let me take you on Twitter thank you very much that's how sports again a lot of words I'm looking for but there's a debate going on now. And I think we all agree is the word I was really I think we don't know it's kind of like it's a mystery you're out can't figure out he's got a lot of things here that looks good that doesn't it but a lot of people said. And Amelie and I don't think that OK because anomaly is kind of like. Not normal right I guess that's not normal but I think still the better word here the as the write an anomaly because anomalies more like. Well that's like saying we'll Trent an anomaly for winning the Super Bowl as a quarterback because usually that's not the kind of acts. Peaking above the amoeba Kyle Orton new nickname give a game give Kyle Orton a round of applause. For. Thank you thank you thank god it's Kyle. For the way he's handled this entire situation he gets his signing bonus from Dallas Cowboys. He comes for the Buffalo Bills at the very last second hesitant to go to training camp because at the play in the stupid pre season games comes in and he might eventually start. I mean just. Well played I really mean is well played by Kyle Orton. War oh yes he could get five million dollars for standing on the sideline all season the Vijay plays every game he's getting five million dollars to watch the bills play angrily takes Jerry Jones money like that. And runs away is a good guy in my book and that's exactly what I mean is that the NFL use and players thrown out like junk you get hurt you're done get it but two you're out we don't care. On to the next guy. Kyle Orton stood up to the man what do Kyle Orton and Matthew collar having competent to stand that the man all paid hiding out to watch the bills. No match contract is. 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We're been talking about Egypt for a number of threes one at the quarterback to he wasn't good this pre season three the bills just redid their quarterback depth chart. brought a veteran quarterback with seventy career starts making five million dollars a year. How does that all play into affecting Egypt we wanted to talk to you this morning at first are talking about. How long does get and it's a two part question I I wanna hear what you think. How long he gets now. I'll be just getting some this is like crazy some of the stuff on Twitter I'm getting like. Two games. One game and its one month I just don't I mean nine I mean for sixteen games I can't. There's no way and about a website for a move on in my point. How long you think he should get. How long do you think the bills will give him because you may have changed your opinion based on the signing of Kyle Orton. You may look at it guys you know seventy starts 3535. The minute there's trouble the Morton's in maybe you wouldn't have said that with cooler Thad Lewis. So 8030550. And is is always the case. We wanna hear from you on our topic whatever else you wanna talk about what the bills. The the running game the old line the new look receiving the defense whatever is on your mind. Bills in the bears we're here to talk to you this morning when he every grab a full line and join us you've made it through the pre season and congratulations it was long. It was hard. It was boring. At times it was ugly at times it was six weeks and it's over. This week is a real football game at the end of the week so gravel and join us 803055888552. I mean free agent for sixteen games I would be. Any act okay well I guess I have to I have to say when asterisk obviously if you looks like the worst quarterback in history of the National Football League. He's not gonna get sixteen games I know that. But. A game half two games four games. It's crazy if I'm gonna sit here and and and some of of that said the same thing we're gonna spend the whole off season. And all that time training camp talking about guys it flashes last year he wasn't a bomb in my opinion. He wasn't you didn't weren't sold on a related thing he's like completely. lost clause. But we're gonna sit here and say ten games guys that are. I don't know what to think about each you know I'm not sure on the fence I'm 5050 about EJ Manuel. I got to see. Two games four games would be the point it's appearance a ten games isn't enough fourteen is the magic number. The if he plays September he doesn't play well through four games how would fourteen be that much different from ten. I just don't get that so for me I didn't play of let's go you know you gotta get a quarterback. That does anybody do we have we wanna go down this road again they got a draft another quarterback let's wait for the next got to commit. Let's hope they get the guy he'd be good that we want to keep going down this road every two or three years of course not. My point is with him and I don't know off he'll make it maybe he won't. But I need. I need as much evidence as possible and for me that's not for games it's probably not even eight games. I just let the kid play. And let's see if he can actually develop into a quarterback given the season. And if he doesn't. That after the season I'm I'm ready willing able well actually bang on the table and demand the bills move on from the guy. But prior to that to me Sally just bye week in eight games seems like a really good answer. I've just said all off season he's played in sixteen games but see what he does in year two with back. Let's see what he does in year two with around let's see what he does with a new look offensive line let's see what he does their revamped receiving corps. To get him in there let him play assuming he stays healthy. And that'll make my mind up after the 2014 season about EJ Manuel. Well let's make this perfectly clear I mean. Having this discussion and many levels stinks but it is our job somewhere you talked about local area we have this does and why are we having it because Jeff tools along the back up that there was no longer the back Orton was signed for five million dollar a year deal. And I think that speaks to how they're thinking. Over one bills drive I believe there's a bit of a ship that's gone on there. Over the last couple of weeks which is all right look we gave this every tool every resource and we gave him the top at some backing. Of saying we don't want to look over shall we wanted to know he's the man right. But what we've seen so far we need have a contingency plan and we need to start thinking about what really happens if he continues to struggle. I believe they're going to be willing to make the change that happens now that's ahead. I don't want it to happen I hope we're sitting here we on net. It was good you know what if it doesn't look great he's good enough that this team can we make they're still hot let's not even more about that let's not talk about that. Our job is to. Think about what happens if that is the situation. I say. Straight games if he's playing poorly not necessarily record reflection that could be it. Necessarily record reflection playing well in the three and I because the heat that's just for some reason blows up in injuries or the running game ever gets in gear whatever. Or completely and they're winning. games because of the running game or defense if he's playing poorly. I think eight games eight weeks up week at eight week eight. then owes it to everybody else in that locker was a professional collecting a paycheck say. Look we have eight games left we're gonna do whatever it takes to try and I hope we need to go down this road I want to get to succeed. I hope we can't I think this week is an and actually succeed. That the bears have the 32 ranked run defense last year. I've watched some tape on them in the pre season looks well on defense they look slow on the edges I think the bills can run on them. And there are some things underneath the can take advantage of running backs and tight so. To me this week. Is a week that he can't have some success. I don't know if they can. Outscored the bears because you know. Let's talk about Marshall in in jeopardy but arguably the connection success this weekend. Let's hope that that we don't have this discussion eight weeks and what do you do now. But if that scenario creeps up. It's a more realistic possibility now that pulled in another direction sooner than many other people thought 08030550. To join us 888550. To 550. And we are. Off to Anthony in buffalo at the on W jogger right ahead. Hey Howard and now I you don't a good good you know powered. Much in use here at night I I just wanted to. try to attack and I'll leave it let let me just let me just make my real quick. We've waited longer than any fan base. Can't use it. Not appoint if that guy can't hold them EJ Manuel responsible for fourteen years. Hold on second that would let me say this ball. Let me say that. We and I know what you want to say that but the way he's played. Throughout the summer I only really but isn't it in training camp right the practice. He can't hit anything. I would they hitting hasn't looked good. But we've got talent Aaron out I looked at a situation like Seattle. For example. They won the Super Bowl last year but the previous years they went out that spent all that money on Matt okay they saw that he couldn't play Pete Carroll went we spent the money. We got to keep playing flat yet another guy and Russell Wilson that was performing and put them in there. I will wait here I put EJ and I'm hoping that we're wrong apple played well. But I'm looking at this first game. If he's not performing at his play is the same as it was about the pre season in the opener in Chicago and have time I'm looking at all the I have the other. It is important what was the point where we Vijay at all what are you doing. What I would like it. no not at all. The first round you can. Years on each and it all for it but the you know it wouldn't. Isolate it when we committed so dealt Kyle Orton is Russell Wilson. But I didn't say that you did you Daniel for Russell Wilson and. Have not comparing in the Russell looked nice thing that. You gave me an example that Seattle you gave me an example that said Seattle decided not like Matt I Sample of make in the car and not thinking about the money and when that thing is don't think about Egypt being the number one draft let's look at what. That hit seven quarterback ahead of the game. I don't on one person it's one person he's got he's one guy in that either somebody else who didn't have. Seven quarterback to happy to It all pretty. Can't get them in the bath and I look at Kyle Orton he has big play people down in Dallas when he came in that final game he had does Bryant. He had written that I then he got them the ball are you gotta do is get these. He's a 500 cornerback Adam thank by the way the 500 quarterback just interject this here and I'm not 35 and 35. These will think I like the Kyle Orton signing but just so the caller knows. He got them the ball. lesser percentage that EJ has gotten them the ball he what percent 58 point eight east 58 point it's the same it's less important a little less I'm just yet. It's not like he's gone out there and got them the ball so much easier and better. The I didn't assigning and it can't be important here is that. The biggest problem I have like he's angry they're not looking at Russell Wilson in the a war that's it's Orton right. It's hot war folks but the biggest problem I have is you have to die now look it. Reached at the I'll give you this part of your Europe apprentice. If you reach the conclusion and you partially have. Apparently I don't have that opinion right now. I think that's still a jump to a conclusion after ten games and and that's why I would say I would play EJ let him play it out and then I've got a larger body of work if you've already reached that conclusion that you're gonna disagree with me. But you can't reach that conclusion based on what Howard we've suffered for fourteen years you can't. It's not fair to this guy you evaluate EJ Manuel on 23 team. And what you've seen in this offseason and the pre season. You don't about EJ Manuel and and say I'd pulled out shoot on him in game one he's not good at halftime why. Because J. P. Losman and Trent Edwards and Billy Joseph Colbert and run that Patrick and Todd Collins and I'd at the list goes on and on each. There's no. I would never want my football organizations operate on get to have because of the previous fourteen years that's that's the Ludacris just. No way. I just like I don't think it. Doug should be judged on fourteen years of personal knows the same thing right you judge that that what judge what on what Doug Whaley has done you judge each day. On what EJ has done and you don't. Make a snap decision because we haven't had a quarterback here's Jim Kelly retired but let's go to rich and port richer on WG right ahead. Listen I think what kind of forgotten lyrics have built themselves. The bill correctly but I'll consult. At the playoffs and this year. Well now Seoul were there and landed hard on the chopping block here. got to let from the world have to that you don't really all below what they are not mutually manual. Although there are there to perform but one important not to play mentor. You can't replace what goes well. I in are trying to Netflix still. That the total one of our affiliate there at a the total Carling has World War II or deployed trial or. Well they're 105 the season's over Kyle not rescuing you from one in five and if they pulled there's no spin he's not coming back because he's not it's at that that if you bench him I don't I won't I won't accept any minute you documents because you don't that you comply. I don't put an impact this organization. But a little bit about go to my amateur without the organization were crucial. But that's right at the look at right in front of us know if if they if they pull plummets because he didn't play well going to say were pulling him because we've. They can be beneficial to lark they But I wouldn't buy it. I think they'd say that they'd say we need to win games in India we need to make if they parliament's rich because they've they've decided to move on meet him. And I just think at least for the time for me if you're going to make that if you're going to definitively say. He's done. He's not gonna be our guy were going in another direction I don't do that after two games four games in six games or eight games I do it after a season. A full season of watching this guy. 8030550. To join us 88550. To 550 jobless guy. Joining us in studio at 8 this morning headlines open couple guys dropped out if you got a busy signal. In this segment we have some open lines or not you wanna get and 8030515. To join us. On WG. It's one ball and two strikes to build in the pitch. Out to the right site. Phillies and headed next while the no hitter in franchise history it's the first. And no hitter behind the Phillies. Actually your question I like to play. I do have a serious question about that. Powered cell Matthew with you here on WGR a brand spanking new web WGR 550 dot com pertaining to our main topic of discussion today. How many games would you give EJ Manuel to prove himself this season. Eagle 30550 to join in on the discussion. You can the web Paul from these choices we gave you 3 choices this morning. As soon as he struggles he's out and Orton gets the job. He has until the bye week that would be eight games wore the full season. You can voted WGR 550 dot com I clicked on the full season you can call us at 8030550. And let us know your thoughts we are getting ready for the bills and the bears. Opening coverage of the Buffalo Bills on Sports Radio 550 WGR. Is presented by value homesteaders. Want Experience and a winning team shop fast shop Smart shot value home center. Howard. Quick question that it gives you got folks who wanna talk about the bills each if your Phillies fan or I didn't like six guys combine them and the Astros at yankees stadium you know who started a game for the Mariners. Felix and its. Kevin mill and how it. Came out actually that you remember not mention his name your question. Your Phillies there. You celebrate. Yet lead in the eighth inning oh god they got a thing your buddies are you really. That no apparent no hitter. Errors. And better and I that your that I would have an impact for me and I and by the way. Mets fan who waited fifty years for the first no hitter in the history of the franchise. evident that I was watching the game and I ducked out when they took Cole Hamels and I tried that once the starter leaves me time. Notes and it is it would mean it. I I get it's not the same but it's still a no hitter still your team death in a chance to do some very cool excellent and on the when my time in the history of baseball yes. You know they'll look at all these guys are committed. I think war for the fact of how much pressure's on each reliever coming in and that. Situation but have to get three outs. Nobody knew that they interviewed even if it's a no you commit to him and just get this out of the seventh Tim Kirk. They each kind of sadly yeah I was interestingly we knew what was going on and you don't wanna be that guy. I heard Papelbon in the little bit and he says only about relevant for one of one of the biggest thrill it is her and I thought really World Series and they were killed and a little bit higher on the list a combined no hitter but to finish off are asked got to be pretty form OK even though he didn't he didn't start again nothing mightily to me. I don't know what do you what he what's the word you wanna an amoeba I don't know he's what what's the word I'm looking that we an amoeba like with the remote and Kyle Orton has no Yeah because we do Collins saw. him with the bills. They have sort of an amoeba like that is no I'm not that's why do you rate might biology had no I don't know what the word I'm looking or some delegates anyway. And the point is. He's he's just weird numbers that I don't know what to do it now as I'm looking over his page because. Howard he has four seasons OK I want to tell you this what Kyle Orton he has four seasons. Where he has started. Eight or more games. And in those four seasons he only has a losing record wants some. His record in games he started at least it restarted or more games are now a more games his record when he started more than half a year. 1059. And 68 and seven and they had three in ten year okay. But his numbers overall just our. It he's got. Last of the completion percentage that EJ Manuel he does have he's got a positive better reception relays got yeah plus thirty your 25 or something but his interception percentage. His touchdown percentage hits yards per attempt that is yards per completion. Are all literally like point one or point two for a career more than what EJ did his rookie year. So is not. Reserve. Yeah I don't but he's. So I know a loss mean enigma enigma. Don't know I don't know I look I can name you just called you just called Kyle Orton and a one celled Zola. Characterized by granular nucleus surrounded by jelly like mass of Saito plows them that forms temporary extension I don't think I'll sell deal. I'll never let us down Matthew's gonna take that cut it's now going to be or something the enigma is I think enigma is what I wanna thank you it is early in the morning and I go to Syracuse were known for doing this and not you know talking about scientific studies and things like that although Eagle 30550 to join us thank you let's go to show on yeah yes thank you on your unborn children. We're doing most of the proverbial phone to spell it just got pulled over. And got myself cellphone ticket. On her name. And Britain are more civil and then I would edit the cell that's why put the speaker and put on my lap after I call. church doesn't feel that it that it that we get the on the phone equipment couldn't vote wrapped. Anyway. So well right now is this is to have this respect about a lot like we're talking about we have become the realization that it may be another. Rebuilding type year and allowing you to depleted sixteen games and I'm ready to do that revamping of the coach owes it to the rest of the team. That is our quarterback you're not helping us win games and news. Shown to be more of anchoring so much saying he would be bombing if he's not effectively assisting a winning football games. He owes it to the rest of the team to make a change that indicate that whole back. Kyle Orton to be frank I think you the best quarterback we've that extra the gonna wrap. So I I think when we have the opportunity to make that change it become the case and that and only you Jim Angle and vineyards there. Formulate and I still have some hope that he's gonna turn up beat. Very effective but still be seen. The coach that make the call on the institute about the 2014. EJ Manuel 2014. Buffalo Bills it if it turns out to be that the quarterback is holding back from having successful year. I don't think the coach the goat to look at each well well well we don't continue give a full sixteen because we don't DJ. But it also but I'm gonna get back to my original question K so let's say doesn't play well in the first two games. You're pulling him in weeks straight by abide by San Diego Orton and. I think you know the sliding scale here it really has to do help shortly flying immediate. If I don't wanna go down that certainly that would have to complete the bottom has fallen out you know these sprawling. Numerous text of all I'm moving pomp and you've taken a look you know maybe you didn't stop first quarter of the to make that determination where it replicate. What he did a pre season there in the first four games. I don't know if that at that point you have the the team. As competent they should be you know the people started apple how would they amateur the here. we gotta go ahead and it and make a change because this is not helping us win appointment to become a patter. and I think that the players will obviously a couple of pretty quickly you do it Smart enough to know whether or not he got All the players I if I was Blair I'd be I'd be angry if that I would be demanding change is not right from my standpoint you but I look at it differently Sean. And and the hole but thanks for making me laugh. Kyle the best quarterbacks in Drew Bledsoe is not a compliment to Kyle Orton it's more for condemnation of the previous quarterbacks and actually what it but but says I don't look at it as a player would look at a completely different. If I'm a player and AJ in week one I might be thinking go ahead put Kyle Orton and because I just want to win. What I don't look at it that way I look at it as this franchise as you just pointed out has been dying. For a quarterback to meet Kyle Orton is not the answer EJ Manuel might not be either. But I don't know and I won't know after who games or four games. Iberia and I think that. I think that's the talk blunt told to you know I don't and critical to position at all. We've got a bright he's got to make everybody happy. I don't know it is what John appreciate the call sorry about the ticket. Said at the south at south sports and jacket help yes the mom know you're right. world's first job is to win. If you're right it isn't a 2014 EJ Manuel setup and if the bills lose world will at some point this year next year whenever we thought if those don't win football games. So his job is to win games. You know whether it's how ordinary EJ Manuel his record is what will be judged on. But I just it if you're going to the biggest thing this franchise needs is one. Quarterback were tired of were especially to well right up is to actually talking about. How this franchise hasn't had a quarterbacks Jim Kelly retired all in part this is I just can't see. In port gigs at the end of September saying I've reached my conclusion. Each is a bomb it just isn't enough for me. This isn't 2002 anymore Trent Dilfer or any time before that this is the new age NFL. The rules are different they're set profits is a score. The defense can hardly touched people you have spread offenses. And guys you chuck it on the field 4000 yards now quarterbacks do that and it's not that big of a deal where to be an amazing deal cell. That's how you win championships I get it I'll tell you that. The Seahawks were not the blueprint for that. They want last year having the second most rushing attempts in the league I believe so I understand that you can still win that way there's no doubt. I'm just talking about the general rule here they are more the exception. Of what we've seen the last decade plus a football which is your quarterback has to be really good for you to have a chance to win. You brought up earlier and I don't think we actually touched on. The teams who didn't name their candidate right for it like OK OK but I like what I wanna make a point on this I what you're going to save it. What you're gonna tell her body is here are the teams last year. Who did who name court who named captains and that is not that I and the quarterback is on that list it's the bills jaguars the box browns the raiders and the vikings game now what's in common with all of them all had nothing new quarterback bad teams. But I'll say a quarterback to at Hyderabad team that's right so chicken NA. Many where the vikings were gonna name Matt Cassel captain Wright and point I texted mind out of Miami. Who's in the media and I said what is the deal there attainable because last year they did rotating captain I wanna know he's a second year guy entered your guy in. Measures the second year he was not a permanent captain they rotating captains every week and he said to me. He probably will be if name but they don't know they're going to name so again I don't. Much stock to me that if if the jets got the geno Smith was some guy who's such a great leader they would say. What's this whole thing not naming captains we need to make in the guy captain I don't care about this. 8030515. To join us 888550. To five victory got more calls coming up we got Joba scallions studio from eight and nine on WGR. There was kids you know I think you don't know. Just like and around you know and the dismissals right decision for me. This was the right team in this organization for me just get the feeling in the right yeah. Religion how many other places known this opportunity analysts. How how that is the what I called amoeba that's kind of a but let me take you on Twitter thank you very much that's how sports again a lot of words I'm looking for but there's a debate going on now. And I think we all agree is the word I was really I think we don't know it's kind of like it's a mystery you're out can't figure out he's got a lot of things here that looks good that doesn't it but a lot of people said. And Amelie and I don't think that OK because anomaly is kind of like. Not normal right I guess that's not normal but I think still the better word here the as the write an anomaly because anomalies more like. Well that's like saying we'll Trent an anomaly for winning the Super Bowl as a quarterback because usually that's not the kind of acts. Peaking above the amoeba Kyle Orton new nickname give a game give Kyle Orton a round of applause. For. Thank you thank you thank god it's Kyle. For the way he's handled this entire situation he gets his signing bonus from Dallas Cowboys. He comes for the Buffalo Bills at the very last second hesitant to go to training camp because at the play in the stupid pre season games comes in and he might eventually start. I mean just. Well played I really mean is well played by Kyle Orton. War oh yes he could get five million dollars for standing on the sideline all season the Vijay plays every game he's getting five million dollars to watch the bills play angrily takes Jerry Jones money like that. And runs away is a good guy in my book and that's exactly what I mean is that the NFL use and players thrown out like junk you get hurt you're done get it but two you're out we don't care. On to the next guy. Kyle Orton stood up to the man what do Kyle Orton and Matthew collar having competent to stand that the man all paid hiding out to watch the bills. No match contract is. Likely earned incentives it's a lot of them like that and I also don't stand up man. Whiner line football regular season week we read is is one line in regular season shape. Now it actually treat her out trying to. Number is eight point 30234. Curtis he's gonna bring relief to the listeners of WGR. Sports Radio 550 yeah. Yeah we are lie in the do you buy the premier group wind may easy. A deep breath. Slightly team you can walk in feet. He wanted to block. In throwing the ball to the wrong spot. Here is bigger her arm the cougars but locker wanted the normal numbers the longer line. Senator. Why do you like. Those things can Why is already more. Gloucester. it yeah torture me show what it needs it now he's better than any of the work that they brought it. He's just another I think would be pre season hero every year in pre season he looks really good in the fourth quarter against backups or sometimes. Any starting role for a quarter to that. He's a pre season hero that's what he has. As a fan of Travis brown on that right I guess work in the pre season. Why illegal and move your your watch. games expert Paul gains they didn't even. Have a party didn't even now. And reentry. Are you get a guy like Mike and she looked like he was pretty darn good. It's cultures or coaches or we don't That Awful we'll meet you you're a little secret. Bulge here at figure out their back up quarter five or six months for the huge Kurt characters Oprah. goal is not fears. But the goal here are grateful. Being cheered. Featured. The whole country. The entire country actually yes you know I just I I it Montana was the final state of left they just turn us over the weekend Montana. As a big dump EJ campaign I don't I realized North Dakota felt this way to be quite they they turn two weeks ago OK well I think they kind of follow south Dakota's lead. The wireline brought you by the Amerigroup line made easy the permitted by the because black box cabernet just 1999. For three liter box that holds as much as four regular bottles see all of the mayor's weekly specials on line. At airlines dot com. in the house. Santa Claus all you can see in our control. Oh he's wearing his old cardinals that in first place now would he do. It's a joke this guy is here. Have your bills question is kind of like an exit clause. Because people can call up and ask questions and get answers sure it's good stuff from Joseph and Joseph I like Santa. Puts a smile on your NIC when you think about him right. Although he visits more than once a year. Joseph a series coming up next for the full hour and we'll continue to talk about Vijay and all things bills related. But I would anything get to this in the first two hours CJ Spiller has an agent yeah we'll talk about what that might mean for future with the bills. 80305. Shifted to join us 888550. To fifty. See at the disguise on his way on WG.

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