Hi everybody. Having a nice weekend so far -- to -- have you done this weekend so far let's say what I've done so far I have come into to work. For the show you can call the throughout the hour here at 8030550. PM a question about collecting may be something you have. Maybe something you want how to get it whatever the case may be I'll do my best of all tell you are given that the usual disclaimer here. Can't say exactly what whatever it is you have is worth. But I could be be points in the right direction give you some basic ideas. I talk a lot about autograph seems like -- have been lately I am not exactly an autograph collector. But I do have some autographed jerseys I mentioned this. This thing with Mario Lemieux's autograph that I'm thinking about it back and that a little bit in case you didn't hear my weekday show. -- Thursday. But I just thought this was -- in terms of autographs at least it's -- the the -- leader. At the LPGA tournament this week. In Alabama. Is in ninth grader. I can't say exactly how much women's golf I expect many -- follow but. A girl fourteen year old girl named Alexis Thompson. Is tied for first place in the LPGA. Navistar classic with Lorena Ochoa who may be the the world's top ranked women's player. She's fourteen. Figure skating maybe gymnastics share. Our gulf. So I was just thinking about that I mean I'd I'd known that story I've read about that yesterday. And then none of my way in today I'm sort of in common hobby mode driving to work and I thought about Alexis Thompson I thought. Are you getting her autograph if you're at this golf tournament probably you're trying to. And you know she's fourteen there she dot the guys with hearts. She signed her neighbor and LO well Laura. OMG after it OMG -- first exclamation point exclamation point exclamation point exclamation point. Maybe an -- so. I love the idea of Alexis Thompson a fourteen year old girl in first place at a at a women's alternate dotting the -- and Alexis with a heart though I would need that. I might if I were that that rabbit autograph collector. Inappropriate. As you might think this this could be I think I would ask her to do that. Because you don't to sports team. I think I think you would X I I would expect it. Maybe she's really protected or something but -- women's golf -- you probably could just you know have eliminated with there. After the after the around about how many people are probably at this thing. I had a an idea that day that time I'm hoping appeals to you and some of you specifically who could give me called that. Maybe have an example of this happening to you. A lot of times on the show I'm talking about great things in one's collection even perhaps my collection. Great card that I pulled. And an autographed Jersey that I have something along those lines something really big. Something really special we've taken calls from some people who have. 1990 skybox basketball and can't wait to hear them hear hear me tell them what it's worth and it's it's -- SATA -- that were almost nothing and we both go on with our lives but all the other times I've had. People call up and say that they have something really amazing remember one guy calling up telling me that he had -- there was a personal connection to. But he had an autographed ball the entire 1969. Mets team. And you know cases like that. Wallet when you're sitting on something big at people like to talk about it's easy to get that phone call for me and people like to talk about. Those things. It be easier if we were on you know. Wednesday at 430 -- Saturday at eight. But people like to talk about that so you don't have much trouble you wouldn't have much trouble getting someone into a conversation about their best piece. If they are collectors. What what's your worst piece. You can't get stuck with things. Pretty easily. And a lot of times it's it happens when you think somebody is going to be good. Or at least you hope somebody is going to be good and and they don't -- now. I'm in buffalo for those who listen online we have a lot of people on the Internet that follow the show and I'm grateful for that a lot of email I get is from out of town. And I so I tried to focus on buffalo but in in this case for one example J. P. Losman. -- a lot of people in this area most definitely have. Football's cards pictures signed by J. P. Losman. And may be wondering. What -- do with this now he's he's not on the team for the moment he's not even in the -- He's in this new fourteen legal I don't think you believe the sport teams but they call the league it's called the US -- playing and Utley. So. What do you do with your J. P. Losman autographs. Good question. I don't know I mean that that's that's a case where you could really do a lot of things with it. Right if you have. Whatever Mickey Mantle Willie Mays any great player you've got an autographed ball or autographed picture you can pretty much. Common senate's right you can pretty much tell what to do or what not to do with them put it someplace safe. Put it in a frame put it in a safe somewhere. -- do something that'll preserve the you know that the quality of it. And that will help keep it from being stolen or anything like that if you have dole. A player who just did not make it and there are a lot to those guys there are way more of those guys. What do you do. You have J. P. Losman autographed football you're throwing around your kids. So I wonder if those -- you some some of you even people who have called me and told me about these really exciting. And certainly valuable. Pieces that you acquired over the years the do you have stuff that you just know is hopelessly. Value less you you must right. I I haven't there's a guy I've only talked to once maybe twice but my sister knows him. And he was a totally distort quickly delegate calls eagle 30550 is the number you've got something that contribute here. He was at the game that. The bills played against the Houston Texans it was lost -- first start. The opener of the 2005 season and I I may have a couple details wrong here's why apologize -- do to Dennis and and two TO. But we're not what I remember of the story is my sister just happen to bring it up to me last night. He's in the crowd you know who caught GP loss means first touchdown pass. And kind of -- obscure trivia question especially your listening in in San Diego or something but. Jason Peters the linemen caught GPU Austin's first touchdown pass bills had five field goals in that game and one touchdown and that was that. And the ball ended up in the crowd. Whether Peters spiked it or he threw it the ball ended up in the crowd in this man Dennis. Got the ball like he was in the crowd and the ball came to him. Where he fought people for whatever happened. The PS the football. And he wanted to know how he could get GP loss means we'll person actually third member write his his idea was to get the ball to -- wouldn't lost and won it. Here's a first round draft pick who's who throws his first NFL touchdown pass and the idea here is that he will this will be the first of many. So maybe you would want this football may be this this man Dennis could convince J. P. Losman to trade for him. To trade for him like a Jersey or something something else. For this football and I don't know that that ever really happened I I'm pretty sure this guy still has the football. What do you do it enough but he's he's not even in the league you might wanna wait a little bit longer to see if somehow he can resurrect his career and I suppose stranger things have happened but. More than likely you're ending up with a football little -- like a football that they sell the sporting goods store no particular value. Unless you find the right if you're looking to sell it you might find the right collector. Someone who. Is a big bills collector or someone in that that's not the most obscure example but the ring is the minutes of that's an NFL game ball so I mean I could get a little bit more eclectic here but that's that's one example of all of a collection at the can be called that of a player who. You know -- out. 8030550. Those even have the big the big items autographed items -- we've got some thing that. One. Isn't really worth anything anymore or maybe really never once even though you hoped it would be someday. And and to especially -- have been hearing from you if there's a story with it like it's not just something that was given to you. Or that you open and a pack of cards like I come up that's like -- upon most of my stuff. -- may -- you have some kind of cool story that goes with your piece let's go to the phones Jeff is with -- Jeff.
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Yeah yeah I'll mind. I'm a huge packer -- I'd you know my father he recently had a chance to get the game answer Cisco is my father bought. -- In Green Bay call when they want and -- on nine and and then when an excellent web game comes up. You're your name it's what the lottery. And we have we won the lottery. For the game.
Cool so you end up you are at the stadium and you have the jerseys are at the time maybe there's more of the story but so far -- you have. The game worn jerseys or at least one game worn Jersey from their playoff game from William Floyd and Terrell Owens and Owens is autographed.
Yes okay. And I got that frame that -- you know -- William Floyd turned out to be nothing I -- body was going to be an expert. In all.
He is playing it turns out he was playing a position that was on its way out in the league and fortunately --
He's exactly. -- all the paragraph at a vote Leo but you know and our expo collectors these and -- it's -- it's -- fun for me you know I was an Ohio State couple weeks ago Friday. Like you felt Kirk -- streaker these and I I happen bill. Like who wanted to let a Starbucks would occur curb future events so. Erase certain writers need but I get those securities -- and you know that -- recollection of oregano Farina and well there.
Then Owens won and you you probably noticed if you're so avid about this that always one would be a monster. --
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It is an authenticated. Is there anyway that they've authenticated for you its use in that game with a B would do that.
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Jersey one of four but that did if you saw him after the game. That might mean that he wore the Jersey the -- gamer that doesn't even really matter.
third third script there's grass stains islanders. While. That's been. You know its that I sort of out just in its appraised and the guy who did all my you know all of their praise and out of there was an -- you know that your appraiser. Pitchers Leo moved -- He he's what -- percent would you you know and he did the framing. --
what a cool -- I mean you US help me out with William -- here but I'm just so I've taken by this other this other part of the story -- that's awesome. I would love that. I would love that and here's Owens of course right here in town. Ten years later.
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You're a good idea. Good idea I think -- minutes that's a great story while that is a great peace to. That's a good idea if you know if you know somebody who can. Who does the framing for you. The good the good ones the good people at that will always be thinking about just how to best not that it'll always be the deciding factor -- the Jersey display but it seems from what I know about it. They'll be thinking about how to best display. The Jersey to show its authenticity. Or if it's not authentic perhaps too. Hide the fact that it's not that they mean there's certain things you can do it there's a patch on the bottom. You may want the -- showing. I have a 169. It's it's replica. But it's it's a Mets GRC over Jersey that Seaver autograph. And the autograph is on the run so it is framed the catcher Torre is a guy who did the framing it's framed with a front showing. And at the bottom of the the front of the Jersey there's a patch it's his Cooperstown collection because the Jersey which I did not buy originally were ousted. I bought it second hand but this patch on it. Means two things well it sure at first means that the Jersey isn't like from 1969. Because. You know in when the Mets were playing and -- of course they -- done that a patch on mergers it's -- Cooperstown collection so it gives away. That it is not any kind of -- worn Jersey in some might think it is I would never pretend that it was. But at the same time the patch separates it from other -- you know. Mom and pop style 69 that your -- that might be out there. If if somebody wanted to receiver Jersey. This. It it makes it better than I guess I think it makes it better than just any random. Mets' 41 Jersey but it also reveals that it's not game -- so eyes the collector have a decision to make. Do I want it displayed or not. And Dave who did the job said I heard like the idea of showing it and I deferred to him but that made sense because it you know nobody thinks. If it's if you're talking about it Timor in 1969 masters you're talking about. Huge item. And I I think most people who'll come across it in my home won't won't have any question that it's not. That good so while I'm happy to have the the -- showing. Owens made the winning touchdown catch and I it's ninety. 98 or nine so was early relatively early in his career as a rookie in 96. Owens made a spectacular winning touchdown catch in that game the -- called in about. It to win that game for San Francisco after having dropped three or four passes in the game sound familiar. By the way but that's that's how -- game went for it it is a famous football game. And I am not the guy who goes down to the locker room and ask for autographs whether I have a job like this or not I just I've never felt good about doing that. But so people do and good for them in the sky made out like a bandit having done that and how about that he wasn't even looking for Owens. And it always gives it to -- right. Most got even then sorry -- has got sports just quickly even then. Most players are already thinking about the value of their stuff like they're not. Just giving away their uniforms from playoff games but to always did. -- that are right 8030550. The number I'll tell you that Mario -- thing -- up from the other day. And the got a couple other quick topics to get into would love to hear from you next I might show this is the hobby -- that.
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I might show this is the hobby great to have you along this Saturday morning big sports weekend as. You know they they tend to be in October and in the fall here we've got a hockey game. Tonight in Buffalo Sabres opened their 200910. Season publisher and down with old man. Hearing a lot of old time 2009. Year old nine -- ten.
And the bills play tomorrow in Miami so it'll be a bigger sports weekend and it'll actually play home games we've got high school and college games to. I'm hearing a lot of votes -- I don't know from a to B one of those folks there is an old. But it until ten then I'm I'm got I've got all all nine. And you start saying that and big big adjustment. I got an email from a listener in Toronto about a month ago named his name is Adam. And I have. Failed might. Computer won't let me respond this email I don't know why that happens sometimes but it does so. And I'm sorry Adam wrote me about his favorite card design ever which was 88 score baseball. Real nice email. Well done well written got a little picture. And I wrote back to mom and it says -- you can't and then I'd tried again and it's ignore you can't. So I didn't want -- about their thinking I was stiffing them here I've tried out of I don't know. Let's go to Gary next -- Gary.
In my -- okay are you. Already just just a general question and -- and this. Unfortunate that because apparently at which you now. -- longer but a friend of mine what the perimeter mall. Owner was living here and playing well hello my. In refreshments one year you want that in. -- aired at the opportunity of taking certain items into the -- having teams sign. Also there was some of the matter. Special football in white here is whether -- Basically it's signed by pretty much the old seeing that the year fortunate -- years. Players like. Under read their comments are ultimately GP was under I don't recall -- only -- All implement the Internet transition that is right.
Look if you have lost -- I mean if if there was only players on the team. If you had lost when you wouldn't have Kelly he was around but it's it's probably 2003. Or or or for Losman came in 04. A -- holds was still here then but anyway.
So until the real the point of the question is is that basically had purchased for those glass cases just keep it from them. The silver marker for coming off the -- their best to retain -- autographs on the ball but that the pressure Nepal continues to deflate. Air I'm just gonna curious -- something like take out they're just keep on are popping up of course is it looks. As.
Yeah right no that's a good question. You know I would ask somebody else and we say that first I don't have any experience with -- with an autographed football. But I would say you probably could I would think you could probably take it out there -- if it's a plastic case or babies and it's the last spot. Either way you should be able to I would think. Get it out of their pretty easily. And I wouldn't think there'd be much risk in filling it back up as long as you knew what the maximum about release with a maximum pressure should be but that's that's to -- he could. You -- inept -- know what number probably could just tell. So I I think you're safe in that I think I guess the only thing I would be able to have to know what I would know about autographs in terms of protecting them is I guess is you just wanna keep model light. But that's you know what's that's a tough one right I -- you wanna display. A nice autograph and I guess the sunlight though that that -- be second be depending on what kind of Margaret is this is really not an an area of expertise for me but I think that's does best is something you hear -- to -- modeling.
Or what have what to do you Ali milieu the most kind of curious to maybe -- appraised -- haven't celebrated as you heard the conversation -- before. It is a kind of gives them a little while will be more documentation -- just -- story.
Yeah well I can help you with that for sure I would say that for the first thing you wanna do is take your time and really tried to figure out who's on the ball. How many players is it and if there are so you you might wanna take a picture of it or like a scanner something and then. -- Mark a little one next. Molds and then on the side right one Eric -- you can like. You know which which autograph belongs to who as as best you can tell. And then that'll help you look up like what year might be the more information you can go in -- the better. And you know after that in terms of grating mean. The guy with the Terrell Owens Jersey gets that authenticated because it's. It's not the kind of thing people are going to believe like. For him to have the game Warren -- Jersey that from the end of that playoff game autograph no one's going to believe him. So one that's why you get that done but with an autographed ball like that I'm not sure grating or indicating is is really worth the money. You know if you have Kelly Thurman you've got some hall of famers than maybe it's a different story but probably now like -- three bills. So but it would I if it were me I would like the idea of being able to live like exactly point out whose signature everybody. Whose whose signature was on there. It might not be possible to get everybody right. But but maybe you could. Our carrier welcome Sony picture of -- 8030550. Is the phone number Mario -- I told this on a Thursday. Because you know. Collecting sports. Cards and memorabilia and sports itself sometimes they intertwined. So Thursday I was on the -- talking about how -- Mario Lemieux's Jersey unsigned is -- Jersey that I bought a few months ago. Bases loaded you to -- we had Gypsies akin a couple of weeks ago to talk one of the owners. He ended up picking up this collection of jerseys and some jerseys were autographed like receiver that I mentioned it's actually that'll belong to a guy who's been for a moment for a long time. And some jerseys were not in more Muslim -- and I picked up. Lemieux Gretzky name it. Maybe one or two others guys not sign him not made of money here but. I bought a few jerseys of players that with the idea that some day I would get them -- And the newest one -- is doing the show in Toronto next month. And I I noticed this in a bad. In one of the back magazines. And I just thought okay here is this -- have been waiting for I haven't seen name that a show yet. I haven't seen Gretzky I am not at an appetite to. Like use work contacts or anything like that I feel really weird about that I don't wanna do with that well if it cost money I wanna pay the money's his. The song wanna do it and I'm particular about it. But Lemieux is charging. Canadian funds 329. Dollars for an autograph. And you know I'm not even talking about a guy who is in his eighties here talking about a guy who played in the eighties big difference. So I don't know like I I want this is the moment I've been waiting for. Having a chance to get -- muse sick but. 349 dollars Canadian what is that like 25260. Dollars US. -- gonna spend that so part of me thinks. Whatever who who cares what it costs -- you're going to you're not going to care. I can remember. How much it cost you just gonna have it and that's why you bought it. And have already what -- 150 dollars in or so on the Jersey it's nice to me it's an authentic. Penguins Jersey -- Timor or anything but it's it's a nice Jersey so. This is why I got -- not wearing it around. But it's 320 parks. So. Most of me says. Save your money and have it and get it done because you're not going to care one it cost. But it's the principle of 300 dollars. Now you're pushing me now you're asking a lot especially for guided. Is barely older than me I mean I think it's not how it usually works is not there's not going to necessarily -- at least a coronation. Between. Up a player's age. And his autograph some value. There is often one. But there is certainly not always one I had a a text message coming from a friend of mine the same days like welcome Eli Manning's. Autograph on a Jersey is worth -- costs three times. While it's. Why eight totals costs. Well Eli Manning I guess is in -- more demand so there it is not getting into that I'm not disputing. If if -- couldn't get 300 dollars for an autograph he would ask for. So that's the end of that but I just don't know whether wanna get into. At the same time though if I don't I've got this will be New Jersey hanging in my closet and -- no other use for it. Ideally I get an autograph the negative frame and there it is a done I've put quite a bit of money into it but that's that was the idea all -- Now. I'm not sure I was expecting to pay this much actually I'm sure that I was not one to make a quick point about a lot of the new products in the hobby I we'll get into that. After after sports and look at the clock here. One thing -- imagine this quickly at that time for one quick thing in the one thing the like desperate out with a little bit. I was at a card show in the area was it last Sunday the week before. And at our -- Mandarin to pew and nice show not realize turnout. And I was sort when my friend Gary -- from the island he's an area collectors some of urine clipping me no Gary he was telling me about these. They were from milk carton or something I apologize for not knowing that these particular early bills like early sixties. Cards if they can even be called cards. And I just I bring it up not to get specific about that -- I don't know the specifics I don't remember from having that conversation with Gary but. There is sometimes. Value in stuff like that. Don't think that if Europe. Old bill stuff or any team sixties certainly sixties and earlier sometimes seventies. Don't think that if your thing is just like caught out of a out of a milk carton Europe. Box of cupcakes. Don't think that it has to be worthless. Regular issue stuff is easier to talk about it's in the Beckett magazines you can have an easier conversation easily look up. Or on eBay C a lot of examples of certain cards and -- Nolan Ryan rookie is you -- sixty tops boom -- find out. But if you have opinions. Or. Cards like these cut out cards. Or anything I don't know magazine covers maybe -- like that mean there is a market for that. I am not your guy for how much stuff like that is worth I've never been a collector. With any interest in those kinds of things but I wanted you to know wanted this audience to go in case it didn't. That they're can be value in items like that and sometimes. Make sure you're talking to an expert because sometimes it can be big value in these little bills cut out cards he was telling me about apparently extremely rare. And very expensive. Like somebody just -- amount of milk carton in 1962. And like if you still have something like that you might have a big item on your hands but I got the -- tell you how much it's worth I just I don't know. 8030550. The number I might show more of the hobby after this. I might show and welcome back to the hobby I have at least one interview next week may be too. -- he got back in touch with Tracy tackler one of the editors at Beckett. And I did so because I have struggled here on my own to find someone to speak to. Insurance collectibles and insurance I've mentioned this on the show week or two ago. I was booking for that conversation. And Tracy knew somebody -- talk to a woman in Maryland yesterday or the day before. And her company is all about insuring collections. I wanna know for my own sake and maybe you'll be interest in this to. Just whether or not it's a good idea -- how to go about it. It's some. It's something that I I just don't wanna gets I don't get caught. I don't wanna get caught buying and buying all this stuff building this great collection and having something go wrong we have fired her house about six weeks ago. And it wasn't big and we took care to quickly but honestly if it might my wife and our outside there was no living thing inside -- for some plants you know. And like the first thing in my head is -- the stuff. And I just you know you don't want you don't wanna get get caught like that so. I've been thinking about insurance and those views that have. Good collections or great ones would probably benefit from knowing just you know what are the what's the deal with insurance or wanna have that conversation and next week is former going to do that I found this this person that will help me with that. End. I wanna catch up with Tracy by the way I Tracy -- or from Beckett who was a man he's an official couple times. And there's just it's a very -- in time with with a hobby because what's happening primarily because what's happening with the upper deck upper deck has lost its. Exclusivity license with baseball. And with basketball and now now hockey is in question tops is moving in. On some hockey stuff and we'll see what happens next few months about that. Upper deck released its final. At least for now while it doesn't have the license. Eyes as you know as far as when a dead until on Wednesday. They have they released their final basketball products with bad association with the NBA. Exquisite basketball for 200910. And it's just been super hot in just. It's not like I'm saying that based on sales exactly but what upper decks sold a great pages they put out a very limited quantity of exquisite basketball already the highest priced. Basketball product. Am in boxes are in the 802000. Dollar range packs we talked about it last week with with three costs -- From David Adams to talk to find that people are buying the images and putting them away. And some people insurer ripping them and and finding some great stuff in there so. Upper deck going through transition period here really just starting out -- one and we'll see if we'll see if they survive we'll talk to Tracy about about that into some other hobby news here in the next week or two. Want to make this point right now those who collect new cards surely have noticed this this isn't anything real new but it's been. A growing trend right now a lot of companies. Are really. Going hard into retro stuff. -- they know that a lot of pull a lot of collectors as is the case with me. By a lot of vintage vintage is a big part of the the -- of people's fascination with the hobby interest in the hobby. And with that you're seeing a lot of new products that are designed to appeal to the vintage collectors even though -- new. Good win champions. Allen in Guenter. Heritage. Tops Philadelphia football. Murat that new basketball set that there's a there's a bowl -- What is it is a Bowman said -- all the Bowman -- really are a little bit of this but there's another one that I'm blanking on the name. All these sets are supposed to look. Old fashioned and that's why -- you know they are the way they are there's there's disposed to appeal to -- so. I just think I am -- retro collector I majors -- it and I'm just here to say I got had enough -- I get it fine you want. Make it look good to two. To people who were collecting fifties and sixties -- up and try to I I respect the idea of this the manufacturers trying to find a way to halt. Collectors into something new but I think it's run its course I really do. Good win champions is okay and if you like the idea of pulling cards that have pictures of flags on them and snakes. And birds you know great as well as Carlos Beltran. Allen did sir same kind of thing it's cool but enough. Heritage. -- heritage in Philadelphia are different they are specifically designed. To look like old sets looked. And so we know it's not that different actually delegates are and and good when are also that but they're just from. A much earlier era. The -- read the basketball side. A lot a lot of these sets are supposed to look old fashioned and they do they do I think the manufacturers do a nice job with them. I just think you know that was a bad and enough already. So what do they do like I'm I'm not smart enough to give you that answer. Because that's that's a real challenge for for a manufacturers these days to say the least. The director idea has been a good one Jersey pieces has worked I think that's run its course to. I'm less and less impressed. With. A card that has embedded little tiny piece of New Jersey that they don't even really know if it was worn by a certain player in their their questions about that. And I think the thrill is gone with a lot of this stuff. For me just -- in the in the evolution my evolution as it as a collector if you're just into it you might find that supremely cool. And maybe maybe not it might grow old for you but. I'm ready for the next thing actually. I don't know what it's gonna be but I'm I'm ready for the next thing I think I'm done buying these new products that have the old look. Okay so next week when it I'm gonna talk about insurance a little bit I'll I'll make it on Korea. Not is that the most fun sounding topic is it. But I think it's an important one for people who have nice collections -- what are you prepared for if if something ends up getting lost or stolen or. Ruined somehow. It can get to that that answer or those answers next week and hope you'll be here with me for that. I might show I appreciate your listening to this show the hobby I'd love your emails any time. 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