Always a lot of NFL. Topics discussed with ESPN's. John Clayton and WG -- John plate right job absolutely would you ever put. A loss on resonate at this point. -- -- he really didn't think numb and he looked pretty Josh. Hopefully I'll -- But I just wonder if this this relationship has been long lasting satisfied enough for you you know respect it's like absolutely 100%. You get a good recommendation. I don't Alter the practice I want you know we feel I. Have to say there's one thing hanging out there that would really help that that is that the chiefs would want working if you and I are getting something to -- that's true they're looking at. There -- be nine wins -- I think yeah I think you're gonna wind up on. I might although the quarterback is it disposed now. Yeah if you believe the -- you know he's still available for the games Sunday and may be able to play after you know having his the -- invasive surgery. From an appendectomy. Item by the way there's no way he's gonna play this week. They say he might. Well laparoscopic and that's not isn't based that is used to write them in the argument that I've I've out I don't use Kerry Kennedy. You beat up around the Arctic appendix out is not. It was twenty years ago no other opposite. It's like could be that -- and then next thing you know you're being hit by Shaun Phillips I don't know that's the the widest thing to rush back Obama would have any kind of operation like that. There SA LK you can maybe get the most -- ten pounds but it's best not to do it for about a week or two and I don't think looking at football being hit by Shaun Phillips would not be the best. That John our producer Greg Udall well Greg and his appendix out like a year and a half ago -- three days later he was cage fight so I don't know you know I don't know what what he's. Specimen being taken a big deal about -- quarterback to you know I'll jump what happened to San Diego Oakland. I -- And is that you'll find in many ways this could play into if capsule is able to play they really don't match up against good running teams now. You look at their stats -- -- while they're the number one defense. Well a lot of it because they've been taken on teams in the NFC west. It they had their three or four games against those -- -- most of those teams ever maybe Stephen Jackson can't run the football. But they've only been five times this year where they've taken -- a top ten now rushing offense and so. You have a good running offense when they get things going on inside it would -- -- McFadden. So I'm -- start rushing up the middle. They fall behind fourteen nothing. And then they start depress San Diego and they have to go one dimensional with their offense they didn't run the ball you're passing it. And you know Phillip had a little bit of an off day early. They were able to try to at least rally but it -- fell apart I mean basically they had the wrong a bad game and really what kind of a bad matchup at the wrong time. They they are really they are to peaceful exit -- yeah they are every year coach eventually get to a point really buy into them. And then -- sometimes it's the playoffs this happens is they're great in December usually -- But -- -- now -- -- saving -- -- in this is recognizing that Oakland had beaten him earlier in the year for the first time today in a long long time. I I was I was shocked by the outcome on Sunday. I think we all work because he figured just like every year it's like okay it's. It's December it's November here come the chargers and their home their in the midst of playing three out of four games at home against division teams work you'd think they'd have a clear advantage. But this -- they just late Nagin they better not do it against Kansas City or they're definitely out but right now they're big trouble probably didn't make the playoffs but it's going to be your seats. Fact much of it. I can't do it so yeah and that that means you all might get dinner yet what's gonna happen happen is that the bills -- gonna have to do it good enough to -- -- coming here at some point right every attempt to -- the stupid. The goal to -- high dose of places that are already. -- Hawaii on this debt decrepit. -- -- they get around training camp but they are kept the -- can cooperate maybe they'll be draft worthy and maybe make it into the draft yourself. Yeah first pick in the draft choice and competition there. We've never done that we've seen new Super Bowl we've spent the Super -- -- -- read them but. Is that something that we would be talking about if the bill drafted like third even when we go that the pretty cool -- -- to go to -- I think some. You go to you go to the tracker you're here it's a war room somewhere maybe. Not only that up more than traveling ESPN radio. You are doing in the ESPN radio draft. Since about 1995. Well suppose you did -- New York is a great place to apple won't let that happen I don't yeah. It's not about the bills yet so cut me off if you want but I wanted to I wanna ask about another team that I never see Atlanta. In my supposed to be buying into Atlanta is a Super Bowl caliber team. Can you top -- paper you'd say no but in reality you'd say yes no reason you'd say yes is because they're just so good at home. And they're gonna end up with a number one seed which means they gonna get one or two playoff games at home. And I was Kriewaldt predispose since the beginning when the schedule came out because. The way it -- because there was enough easy games for them and then Carolina cooperated by being a bad team. Is that in -- to have a better chance to win the division. Then the New Orleans Saints because the way the schedule -- the New Orleans Saints had the cup games on the road where the falcons had a tough games at home. So then you get the addition of having the NFC west which of course you know everybody blows through that division. And so now you're gonna have the tiebreaker or at least you have the advantage as far as home field in the wild card and so. By rolling the waiting out capping Matt Ryan had a magical season very much like Drew Brees a year ago. They're gonna end up being the team to beat you go to the Super Bowl because they're gonna end up thirteen and three at the worst fourteen and two at the -- and have home field which they'll make some Bible critically blocked one game with Matt Ryan has starting quarterback in the -- ago. It's a good thing we didn't bet on this because you were all over this Atlanta with that schedule point. So this is not a big shock to you I just don't know and other how -- they are Philadelphia goes in there. Or if I -- the giants beat the bears about a big bears guide Green Bay if Green Bay went into Atlanta in a playoff game will with the lightning. Why would be about two or three point out that the game a couple weeks ago when Green Bay went in the air and they took it down to the wire. As you would expect and what happened Matt Ryan was able to get. Look firstly at kickoff return to midfield and then he was able to get -- -- -- drive to be that tied the game would be -- two or three point game but the it's one of the thinking. Really if you look back at New Orleans they probably want the most talented team and football last year Minnesota was more talented and -- But. They had home field and -- all the breaks in the news breaks like for example in the Green Bay game at home. Where a ball. Basically it was intercepted that it came it came out of the hands of the -- pocket who intercepted it. The replay it was so slow getting to the boot for the coaches that Mike McCarthy didn't get bored down until the next place started you'll go to the thing that happened. When you have home field he has so little edges we have little breaks. Baltimore played there and lost the game just like that. Tampa played a close -- I think those close losses may catch up with them -- Orleans again yeah -- Atlanta needed offensive interference that wasn't called that that now people will be the people overlook. Losing within well let's you. Cut the kids in the NFC and even Internet division -- with a Miami New Orleans it seems. Early in the year John was you know and this is gonna say that it's changed necessarily that they're right or that they're rolling out anything but. That -- -- -- -- 93. When early in the year was like but he did they couldn't get the offense going they were just squeezing out wins I mean I wonder. A team that Jordan won it last year how dangerous are they should they give it an able good beginning at nine -- here today. -- he has just the government they're gonna end up being the fifth season have Drew Brees. And Gregg Williams is doing a great job with that defense and people tend to forget that. You know the defense was a problem last year as like ranked in the twenties. And now it's right among the best in football and Albania at the benefit of the big the the easy scheduled to connect. That's the one thing of people attended not look at if you get a chance to have NFC west teams to go against. You're using it for additional -- that maybe nobody else was going to get. So you take advantage of that and then -- they have the advantage work just like last year they were able to take on teams that can't rookie quarterbacks or replacement quarterback the differences. They're not getting interceptions that they're setting up and getting points out up. This year what's happening is that it's closer games they're throwing more interceptions but still. This is just almost at the end of what's been an easy part of -- scheduled for them he gets tougher now because they have the played Baltimore another week. And then come back and play at a planet in both teams are on the road. John Clayton with us John of course the -- season playing its way out one thing I think that'll be interesting to watch these Final Four games the fourth quarter of the season. Is what the bills do would CJ Spiller and how he looks I'm still not sure just how he fits into an office and maybe they have Jackson. They haven't really thrown Spiller the ball yet he was hurt a little bit. I'm confused can you help me figure out what the future holds for him. Tom confused too because. I didn't see this hit initially I believe in that excitement when he touches the ball but it looks like you know what they wanna try to do -- have a Reggie Bush type of system with him you know it's ride to work he called the satellite type of running back. You know without Fred Jackson being the inside -- but don't try to get screen passes bubble screens. Outside plays you know giving him some plays you know where he can run to the outside just used his quickness to get the -- In his hand but obviously that's not happen much -- and hamstring injury probably played into what the last few weeks but. I still -- I always just it is not is it's it's the Aaron -- thing where it just doesn't -- -- totally. But the -- was popular when they drafted and how he was going to fit into a buffalo offense -- know whether it's cold. In December and November and sometimes October and you know he's got about the next type of back in the you know kind of -- at the city. Do you think his draft status will push them. To give him every opportunity to become to unseat Frank Jackson again because I I would predicted that would happen. Next summer again and I mean he he want the job come out of camp this year he was a starter against Miami and it it got jumped after one week but. I I would think that they would work hard to justify the ninth overall selection. Yup but I think that you know it. He's not gonna be the type of back it's gonna be the one back at me he asked to have them back with him so I think that with Fred Jackson and his salary in just his demeanor and everything like that. The two of them are gonna be together for a long period of time and if they would take the position it's like okay we're -- Spiller were planned Fred Jackson. Well and then they cut or trade for -- cannot be in the states and we've seen a mistake too many times. Still this is a -- where there's only about twelve or thirteen backs that are getting sixteen carries a game or more. And you know seagate not that type of back you know Fred is able to at least and what better but you have to have the two. This now the combination where they have to have the two would not just want it if they decide to go with walk and then they're making a mistake. Bills and browns Sunday blacked out third. Ralph Wilson Stadium game this year be blacked out the Chicago game may went well and another. But it doesn't help the team was going to black I was going to lifted because the Toronto arrangement. And we still could have another with with New England so it's been a rough year for that they're saying the weather -- Sunday he might be really raunchy. So couple things to know about this game -- where his Cleveland that that growth curve here. They're making progress because you know they've had they've been playing games very much like buffalo until last week. Where their competitive. They've been close in some ways they've lost some close games. But you know here and keep making some progress now but it could be enough progress for him to keep the job you'll they've been able to fight group. Many many problems at quarterback and -- each one of their quarterbacks. Has had a high ankle sprain. And now they're back to Jake DelHomme. -- they have very little speed totally on this team and it's probably the least athletic team and football slower linebackers wallet wide receiver. But it's just smart it's a well coached team they played -- make a lot of mistakes we don't get a lot of holding penalties. -- this solid they're just not great. -- -- does end up being shown the door there what do you think the odds would be on Mike Holmgren being able to lower Jon Gruden. I think recent. Really good I didn't think so a couple of weeks ago. I know John this week is that you know meeting with some friends to talk about the ideas like go to -- a lot of coach who wanna stay broadcasting remember financially. I think he'd like to make Tampa Bay pay every dollar that they only think about six million dollars next here from Tampa Bay no matter what he does so he's. He's still might take one more year out he saw a story that has -- more of the -- said. That he thinks they have gonna end up either Cleveland or San Francisco so I think is a reasonably good chance that he put his name in the hat. That guy Cleveland's gonna outpace San Francisco he can be in Cleveland. Where do you think Jim Harbaugh will be. I'm right now all. I tend to think that he could still stay in Stanford because what you worry about with him. Is that that you have to lock up. -- NFL deal that first week in January or so and I don't know of any team is ready to lock up -- kind of a commitment. To a college coach is going to be very very good with -- CPA extension. So if it passes on the NFL. That means he's not gonna be it's Stanford or Michigan there's a lot of rumblings that Rich Rodriguez could lose his job after the ball game. And if that's the case and they don't lock him up at Stanford the -- Stanford came back and said that. He did they think he's close to a deal well I don't see any deal yet and I think Harbaugh would prefer to go to Michigan first and then maybe NFL team's second. Yet at the heart Harbaugh is being tied at Stanford but he. It matters a lot -- I I think John you tell me if I'm wrong about this he leaves. Look he's like almost sure to declare for the draft at these days it's a little body and. -- question because -- these days and I think a lot very well could -- but you know Oliver luck continues to tell everybody he knows that his son is staying. But again the dynamic a majority is still the coach has the state to so it may be one of those things lawyer like indicated Jake Locker. And the university of Washington and they work out some kind of an arrangement were like okay. He had to let you know early that a mistake but I'd still say that you know Harbaugh still in play for some of these coaching jobs particularly Michigan opens up that's going to be hard for him. Not to go back to Michigan as a former quarterback there you know you would be the perfect coach for them pretty run the perfect Michigan type of offense. What's the latest on that the future of the labor negotiations John is the draft. Going to happen either way. Yet -- it's gonna happen one way or another they may have to readjust that date but yup that's still buy contracts still allowed for one more year. Even -- they just certified the union yelled they've at least on the agreement said that there will be a draft in 2011 now the unfortunate thing is. Nobody can assign until there's anything out of a collective bargaining agreement. But I'm still optimistic that something's gonna get done before march you know. They've made some progress on talking about the eighteen game schedule -- now they need an arrangement where they're not gonna have a collusion to they've bought some time there. No there really started to have some serious. Bought an iPod they would start getting serious by December 15 they can maybe get something done by February 15 so I still think that. Why is thing is get a deal done owners don't screw it up. Any questions for us. It's not knowing yet and it every time I'm working on the weather channel buffalo would digging out of more now. The true reporter always comes up with something. We're okay right now -- the hockey game today. Are really the -- indoors -- outdoors indoors good although I'm not sure actually sitting here these days I've he's. So -- -- outdoors looks like it's indoors why would you better weather thank you John nice to talk to you as always but it. John Clayton -- yet every Thursday.