I know I know it's not a new show. Which you can give me a break on that how many shows does WGR have that -- Newark. Listen -- to these guys. You know before before I start every every Saturday in the fall since. Since I started for years right high school sports is on it then. Those bank -- guys -- I think now they're gone now you know it's knew each week that's how I look at it. It's knew each week and it's like we're CBS were every year we throw out fifteen to. You know shows at night and thirteen -- -- in six weeks like we are gonna have a doctor show. We should have a doctor show all these injuries. You know I shouldn't say this but. Because you've been so nice to give up so early in -- and Matthew -- has to tie me down every. Saturday morning so that I don't see here's the whole time and tell you about the things I heard on the 7 o'clock show. Mark below I have to do ones I know -- my -- free unlike my daughter here you -- up that swat also that she doesn't. You know scratch -- face -- hands while all around and weaker self she hates cheese. Stands out is screaming. I'm getting a handout. Mark Malone just said. This week it's the wanna know cardinals in the wanna know Redskins who would've thought that. The sport this sport is just in just there's no word for. The level of discussion in football just couldn't be lower and tasker said in the same show you can't win without. The running game which well sometimes you can we know that He said yep three ballots sodomy to think that. It's anybody's. Anybody's surprise that both Arizona and nine point favorite by the way. -- And Washington would have won their first games Washington was a three point underdogs like. You're the expert madness -- the -- that for years that's another thing about it like these guys are just. They're always just there mark Malone has always is there on this show every Saturday morning where girls museum broadcasting games. Like he's been a broadcaster for forty years I talked to of one time and I got mad. Does that surprise it was in the late that -- commanding. Called out Mike Vanderjagt at the Pro Bowl that. The colts kicker said some things after -- lost in the eliminated in the it was the probable and Manning was on the sideline talking to somebody and He called them our idiot kicker. In Malone came on ESPN working for them and He came on and talked about well kickers are really part of your team and you know I was naive enough to try to ask a couple of questions like logical questions about that are aren't they -- of course they are on your team but. I don't know just remember I asked him. Ads from being disappointed. That the answers didn't make sense but that I you know you you go home at night you remember it's like you talk football guys and you try to make peace -- which of course I've never done. Who would've thought Washington and Arizona -- one last week folks maybe you do it a -- half the people listening actually thought about it did. But half Washington three point there are about half the team kept the pickers pick them everybody picked Arizona to to beat Carolina and they didn't. So good job. I have a while I have Matthews attention. And let me give the phone number a lot of times lately with the show we get a bunch of calls the last twenty minutes and then the show -- and people are left on hold. Don't -- Part of that much to say anyway a little bit not a lot 8030550. Is the number of stock got collecting it is a fun time a year because almost every sport is in play. And I've got to. Got a got a few thoughts for a joke around got a few thoughts you know I would -- and think about prepared for Saturday morning. This this program and another guy I met your attention though. Justin Verlander talk of baseball right he's just talked a baseball. Best pitcher in the game this year should He win the MVP that's an enjoyable debate for me. With a picture. Eight pitcher can win should win and so on. Indeed I think right now he's probably the most valuable player in the America Italy Hemmer Jose Batista I say it's okay to have a starting pitcher -- MVP I say it's okay to but I wouldn't vote for Verlander. Wanna go to the whole thing but it's close to me it's interesting. His rookie card there are several of course you know any modern player will have a few different choices for you. 2005 -- chrome. Might be the most popular and autographed Verlander rookie if you buy one I would say you know spend the extra money to get the autograph. I would also say don't buy one now. Because everything with with the stock market with any kind collectible. You know it's buying. Low and sell high and the trick is if you have Justin Verlander rookie cards to convince yourself to sell them now it's like -- Necessarily won't stay good. He very well -- But He doesn't have to do if you -- or -- as last year got a lot of the same attention didn't keep it up for the whole season. That the difference the big difference. By. Around that time He threw a no hitter in Atlanta last year which you wanted to sell. You bald men as most people would say now it's like oh this guy's going up the thing is there aren't gonna. By the time everybody thinks that an ESPN's talking about it it's over the the the surge has happened but for the most part. -- wasting your time to get your headphones on and there it if you read the option. -- 400 dollars say about what it might cost to get a nice Verlander rookie autographed. May be high grade or for a actor like a short break they have foreigner box for the us. You've got two options portion of more than two but in this case you have two options one is to buy -- Justin Verlander autograph rookie card. Investment wise you know think what you think. About the same price though you can buy an autographed. Mohammed Ali boxing glove. All there's really no question about that I'm gone with the -- I'm going with the glove. There's there's no doubt about it how many people. Listening would go glove. Biology itself to be every ordered the almost everybody goes of the two possibilities in my mind. To be everybody listening or just mostly. I know that's the that's the funny part about all this is that it's the same about a month ago. I think it changes for me the fact that I mean it Verlander was a hall of Famer -- wins 300 games I know you know I feel about wins but 300 is a ridiculous amount. Andy's in the hall of fame and he's a legendary pitcher and he's breaking records that makes it a little closer for me because you know on love baseball but at this point right now. We're Landers just hot pitcher there's been a lot of those there is not been a lot of Mohammed Ali's. He's shown he's a legend he's a beatle legend is an understatement for Ali. And these -- a lot about him as a collectible. There might be a lot of Ali's autograph merchandise more than they might think I think of him is being. A photo of you know the public guy for so long I I I know He makes the occasional appearance. But. And -- delicacy all the all the time. And I don't know how prolific a signer He was actually be good to talk to somebody about that say that every week they'll. Be good talk to somebody about that. Nevertheless. Ali. Autograph boxing glove for five -- box. Verses Justin Verlander rookie or verses. Alexander Ovechkin. Here's the thing about your point -- though thinking about. 300 wins. Probably like I don't know exactly. What the bell curve looks like I'm Verlander. In his prices. But no doubt he's gone way up this year. How far does it go that's always the question with with Sidney Crosby would Verlander with guys that means that those are different examples. With guys that cost a lot of money. That are currently playing the question is always well is there are more room to grow and I would say in in his case Verlander probably not. Mean he's having an in senior for a pitcher he's on a big enough market team like the profiles there. He could throw a no hitter in the playoffs like Halladay did. And when the World Series or something and that would probably boosted me he's a World Series MVP. That would boost but if He puts up. 1540 wins a year for the next ten years and closes in on 300 wins -- really really change. The -- this card even all fame even if He ends up at all payment as -- well by then I mean the inflation by. Yeah I'm right I'm factoring that out by then. He'll already it'll be -- given. You know like if He really does get to 300 wins especially you know -- think about how that. Number of the importance of that number the significance that numbers changed. It'll be given that He goes the hall of fame with with. With collecting. You always want the guy get this email all the times and by the schema. Always want the guy that people don't think will make the hall of fame or just they don't think about it -- I think they that He won't. It's that you don't think about them. Does. Emmitt Smith scars to Emmitt Smith's cards go up in value when He makes the hall of fame not really. Because he's Emmitt Smith mean he's already been these are the NFL's all time leading rusher to Super Bowl MVP. Young page He did that so. Of the changes when. Chris hamburger goes and this year in the veterans committee river is the clock him out of obscurity in boredom and can't. Then his cards go from costing a dollar to costing fifty. And they're Simonyi right there that's a serious jump. Especially if it's a guy that. As rookie cards that are -- you know that from the sixties in this case Jean picker sentencing kind of thing from the -- that if He always. Wanting. So that's where -- were to make some money -- So if you've never heard of the guy then it goes up when He goes in -- about -- if that's. Yes. You've ever heard of him but somebody has. And the job is to try to figure out who that guy is from time to time and you can you can make that effort. I'm unlucky to know. I don't know half a dozen people who vote on the hall of fame. Football maybe talk to them if you know them. You can read of course the football fame website updates the list of finalist and as the cockpits made each time. They put that -- to you concede who who's on there that might have a chance I'll give you a little bit of a tip although it's not necessarily for this year. And He may never happen this is from my home. My own brain but there's a guy who played in the AFL named Abner Haynes the AFL I thought. In the last three years when the the American Football League started to get a lot of coverage there was the NFL films. Series about the AFL. And showtime Kerry did NFL network carried it there or. Five parts of it it's just there seem to be a lot of retrospective. Fifty year anniversary of the birth -- AFL. There was a lot of that and I kind of thought there would be more. That the hall of fame would be a way that the the -- That the AFL certainly get more notoriety excuse me for -- it's -- I thought there'd be more guys who played in the AFL that would give him the whole thing because of the increase. In discussion about that league. And it really didn't happen Abner means is one guy Johnny Robinson is another Robinson is almost batter He He might be better. One of the top interceptors in the AFL played for Kansas City. There are strong cases for these guys to be intent in. And are not in so what are their rookie cards you know early sixties. Early to mid sixties clear maybe. There out there they exist they're commons basically 196060. And earnings might be 1960 I don't know but it's early sixties CP you can find out they're practically commons those cards and if the day ever comes -- mean. How many people have heard of those guys. You know football fans from that -- -- they are I think most fans I talked to during the week on the show have no idea those guys are. If they end up getting the right backing in making the hall of fame the -- still living -- no means I think the most living should sesno. Then -- you have a big jump there in their values it's that. -- and Deion Sanders whose cards co op when they make all -- guys likeness. All right and that all started with mark Malone who will not make the hall of fame as a player or broadcaster. And I predict. Let's go to the phones here is very on WGR -- Michael good morning how are you doing or you could. -- -- My son has two of the frame this Billy Ripken. Bad carrard the -- Here. You know what I'm talking about. Clear -- eighties. Okay what mortars and -- He held under these parents. From the time He got a wave bear wind. When He first came out. And if you remember bold and offer they want and -- Barack. And they. They basically says Wilson just complete set of birds. If you return it cared what -- terror war. There are few different versions of the error by you can see on eBay what they are I think there might even before versions of them it's 89 flir was -- the year -- -- looked. And you know winning on condition can be worth 2030 dollars. Okay because back then. He had gone to one store and they wanted to give Nintendo is a peaceful. So He decided you know to keep these said there were four here. Yes the media -- yeah -- there. You know more at the -- maybe not but may be about this from Yahoo! that you know you could thank you -- like a nut. I'm not exactly. Bullish on this card for long term. Appreciation or anything like -- but one thing about it. Is that it is famous. And I can use this to get into something else that I wanted to talk about today transcendence. Famous is important. I think a sports I think of this kind of thing the hall of -- is important me. -- identifying who the top players are all times. You know ranking things and ranking players all this kind of thinking is Mike kind of thinking it's that it's something that appeals to me about sports. But it's not. Fully. -- full proof. For determining. Who's going up and who's not who's expensive and who's not. I'm. Fans have different reasons. For caring about. About people. Sometimes it's because they're the best sometimes it's because they're notorious. Some you know like this bill Ripken card. Sometimes it's some other reason you can't always -- doesn't always make cents. But in all sports you have really good players. Whose cards just don't or autographs just don't cost very much and it's not easily explained sometimes it's the market. Where there's maybe gotta love interest in the player or the team. Shea Weber for me is an example that with the national predators Canadian Olympic team caliber Norris trophy caliber player. But -- place for Nashville and discards from we have always been undervalued. You have you have different reasons why some athletes. Just draw more interest. And you have to respect that. I don't care about this Billy Ripken card I was never amused by it I was never interested in owning it. It's not I mean are almost every other card that -- if not literally every other card that's that is cheap and discard isn't so. Mean that it kind of makes sense to -- Famous as a keyword in how much you know it is -- is a guy who worked on the market as as a collectible. And yet you want you ought to respect that to get this stuff right. Talk a bit more about that and I wanna. Make a comparison between collecting and fantasy sports. Everybody it seems of -- -- blog loves fantasy sports. If you think about collecting and a certain way it's similar to fantasy sports in May be taken a console you on this this idea. I'd love more calls -- 30550. I know it's early but if you have a question about collecting it lot of questions about new products that we did. Take on anything I can't guarantee that -- deviate a good answer but all I'll do my best. I'm -- show and this is the hobby every Saturday morning from eight to nine on WGR. Welcome back to the hobby I might show will be a big fun weekend plan. Greg and I went out to see Dana Carvey last night falls -- thank you balls you for having us. It was fun we'll talk more about that on Monday. It's even mention that I was missing. Com wanna get to some callers. And -- also -- -- -- a little bit on Twitter couple nights ago I was up late and you know two kids under two. -- up late and just kind of going over some. Files about my collection once in awhile I'm good and I'm smart enough to. Get organized usually I'm not once in awhile just like make a computer programmer something with him when I buy something. And what I -- noticed by looking back and these these files is that I had stuff like totally forgotten about. Your your wise I think is a collector to. Just floss every once in awhile you know you've cut stuff the disputes stalking your teeth. And your collecting a certain year certain sport but somehow this or that ends up. The you know being yours. And you wanna get the -- out. And I I had that thought the other night after looking through like when I get. When they get all these 61 -- football cards in -- nice to have I'm glad to have them there some value some modest value. Tight I remember thinking when I bought them that they were just they were just too cheap. Like why why would these cards fifty years ago. AFL again it was that point although that sets both NFL and AFL. While with a B Sochi. Or bought them completely forgot that I had them until the other night in a very nice auto rookie from that says Jim Otto. Want to mention that with the raiders in town to play the bills. Tomorrow let's get to the phone 8030550. Is the number of you got a question or comment every Saturday morning here. Let's go to Paul next on WGR -- ball. -- -- Good morning. Yes like hand look of terror tickets from that people 500 -- here isn't going. -- Al -- was killed. To undermine its stripes trek down there in the neighbor was going -- and get their caretakers. They never picked them out probably send them to me. I don't know if there's any value of the number. Or from the Winston power that it's that the general grandstand it's like who gave a quote looks like an executive suite. It. No they were never used solar type is that by a couple of those up plastic. You know protectors put him in there they're. Trust being dispersed condition wise but I don't know you know there would be any value in the -- There would be I I think was Stubbs. You'd be looking at. 3040 bucks but it's possible that these would be better than that. I don't know again I don't know this of that well enough to know if -- or is -- -- part on the ticket that would be torn off or is it just on the road in scale armed. Now not slow it's -- intact. Automatic what I did directly -- such size result what I did. There's I guess an autographed picture of vote down harder in and I was planning mounting and the doughnut in upstream for him. But. I just I was curious to no -- you know there was any worse I mean it. Let's take itself was like 448 hours at the time obviously this whole. The old Darian and -- saying -- -- it's it's like a little program it's similar to like a Super Bowl kicker. Sure know what I I wanna make sure you knew what I asked I I know I know you said they were used but. Is there are a part of the ticket that would have been torn off. I would imagine so -- you know I've never gone to an event like that so I don't know they split tickets there. Upon gamer something like that -- yeah prevent tourists like -- The question is it might it might be a factor is what I'm what I'm saying if if -- had a little part of a perforated part of the ticket. There would have been torn off and it had been done so it you know used then you'd have a ticket stub if it were used but it's on there than that would be better. If it is as opposed to a ticket that would be scanned like -- right now. Okay yeah you'd you'd have you'd have something with that I I always make the same recommendations seems -- go to eBay and see what you can find I imagine you'll see ticket stubs maybe if I knew what I wanna know is. If there's a difference. In that the ticket was on used in their very well might be there probably should be. And having been unused is better -- would be -- -- all right. Welcome you're welcome have a good day Paul -- Yeah I mean I I think unclear like if if it's like the the sabres tickets now and it's just scanned men there's no. Way to determine whether or use or not but if you have. In -- in the old days course it was different all those tickets like the audit in the bills games just her off the the bottom. I. I do hear about tickets like that from famous events that were not used for one reason or another. But still it always. Kind of baffles me that there are some Super Bowl three. Well see it's at the same time it's baffling and not. Because we know in the early days the Super Bowl especially suitable one but even Super Bowl three that. It was not the biggest deal. To football fans the game was somewhat of a just a novelty in the beginning so. You could have had tickets to the Super Bowl which might have been forty dollars in 1969. And just not bothered. But it's still at the same time it's still amazing to me that there are in existence and off. All unused tickets to old Super Bowls. To have that be you know something that shows up a price guide -- That's pretty wild I think that could be a really interesting thing to have you know what you want though you'd want the story with. Yeah I just bought this unused Super Bowl three ticket. You know okay. But if you had a story with that the tech guy does about. About the race. Just you know why wasn't the ticket used to bring you could explain with a then that I think you've got something interest. Let's go to Howard next on WG RI. Warning -- -- don't. Get. Or more toward the states or the other day I met them sort of amounts of desperate for a couple -- are really common and I just want to get your thoughts. -- says it's. -- and Derek Jeter and 1992 draft pick it's mint condition 1993. -- -- would that be considered his rookie Kurt. Even going back that far there are a few with a one I think about is the pass. Maybe that if you have draft pick on there. It's been terrific 1983 draft -- is scarred though -- it's tough character got a Green background so beautiful -- -- just. It was just probably it was some Rick conditions says. Draft pick 1992. Dozen of them -- rookie Kurt have a problem. No I it doesn't sound like the well. Yes I I think I'm trying to find it is you're describing Green background Jeter throwing the ball on the front -- Oca let's say. It just mentioned that. Is class and it doesn't say anything about pros -- just a sophomore junior seniors school remembering you're right to the pros legacy was offered a scholarship to Michigan -- right for the Yankees. That's right this card sells pretty well and I gave them a little bit surprised like I -- like what are -- bark. -- you probably did all right if the conditions good. This uniform targets like government turned -- so recorders -- perfect everything it's centered. -- That would be my advice I don't know if you're into it into the hobby you know it's that I don't cut into its arm of -- yeah that would be a bit -- -- Yankee fan but this -- discovered it is that just a beautiful -- well. You could make money on -- -- could take it to a dealer and probably do better if it's in good condition and if it's the part I'm thinking of left put a couple conditions here. Then you could do you could even take it to a dealer and make money on it. -- -- Okay and the other question late if there's other current cover -- tribute are you familiar with these are no. -- yet relatively new products. Right and that's what Israel -- and -- partnered they have been he's saying that it says it's. Authenticated. Signature it is also got a piece of the score appears we have had to receive these -- before but I guess gimmick com I thought it was a really -- -- -- -- it is those tribute cards are pretty nice to commit shiny. I'm secretly worked very 12030 dollars here -- grow up or turn tortured you know but I don't carry. Yeah I think on the time are you probably broke even and on Jeter you might have done better than that. Just but there were pretty nice turn we just want to get your starter so this is just the limited edition this tribute. Eric -- it's fairly common in the higher end products in all different sports top spinning the upper deck. They all have it seems many products anyway. Have legends in there with autographs. Sometimes they're caught autographs from people who have died but they're caught out of checks are different things. Or like in the case Ralph -- probably be a fairly recent signature that tops acquired right and that they did they sign usually they signs stickers that are imbedded into the cards like on a Mac card you -- Hasn't witnessed by a culture -- -- -- -- it is actual lows are great effort. For sure it is if tops if tops produces that for sure it's would you. Okay well thank you very much. You're welcome thank you. I think C. Jeter I ought to be better on Jeter. I think the SP Jeter -- the one that sells for the highest that's the Jeter rookie I recommend buying this draft pick one though. Still pretty good I was surprised when I looked as as the caller before was talking. About the prices there on Jeter. Hey I said before and we we can still take more calls it like that 8030550. Is the number. -- have gotten two in a row here maybe three year old and -- -- answer which is which is. Probably a record for me. Comparing card collecting to fantasy sports while nobody loves fantasy sports right. Just the draft. Going up against your friends comparing -- teams having players on teams you don't particularly like play for you and you know it's. Maybe confusing but also fun like rooting for. Calvin Johnson. Whatever you get to know the player batter in just. It's fun what do I need to explain why fancy sports is 14 we all know it. Collecting for me has always. Felt like fantasy it's it's all it's a lot alike. And it's better in a couple of ways. It's better in that there's no off season. It's all the time -- you can collect players between sports obviously you're not ranking them. Exactly every week based on their stats but. You have the equivalent of a savings account. With these players you've collected. As your as your money. For instance if you look at it this way -- -- -- my fantasy team is so who was on my fantasy team as a card collector -- on my fantasy team Matthew Stafford. Is on my team a card but as He authentic. Autographed. Matthew Stafford patch guard a couple of years ago that some friends of mine and I went in on. Shea Weber mentioned him my great uncle. -- fan and who pitched in the forties and fifties for the Saint Louis browns of got his cards from from those years he's on my fantasy team. Kevin Durant was on my fantasy team for awhile and you know we sold them soldiers -- like we we traded Kevin Durant we sold we we caught them for money. I want Rickey Henderson to be on my my fantasy team because I think Rickey Henderson. All of the great players of the eighties. Is may be the safest. Investment He was. He's underrated I think Rickey Henderson and there's no no issue with tainted numbers or anything like that. Don't know what kind of profile will keep as a retired players seem to have a very tough time. -- retirement. But I I don't know I just think he's he's very solid you don't play against your friends exactly but you can't do that you can make up. Some kind of a thing where you're going against the -- you can compare. Your your portfolio -- there is. Or you could pull your money with your friends and and Americans make a concerted effort and maybe by better. Players that way because you can afford more you can you can compete. If you want you have to be a little creative right -- to way to compete or just you know compete against yourself that's what I do. How to why make the most money at this who I wanna collect total wanna cut who don't wanna pick up it's no different than than fantasy sports the one thing that's different. Is that that there is a smoke a much smaller pool players I don't mean athletes I mean office. All your friends are playing fantasy like you are. Not all your friends are collecting. Mr. bet because this is like a real life sort of if you could -- -- if I might it's a real life fantasy sports game. Where you put your money however much if it's only a little bit minute of play that way to. You know and it's it's a real -- game. You'd have Yahoo! or ESPN writing articles every five minutes. But time I don't know write the articles make him interesting make him funny start a career. The very least though collecting his a fun sort of fantasy sports where you pick the players. Based on whether or not you think their values will go up you by Stephen Strasburg hurts his arm you lose. You hold and He comes back He looks good coming back your your back. So. There's no way into the season I love it. In in this kind of context they really do. 8030550. Is the number for your comments or questions I'm -- show and this is the hobby on WGR. Welcome back to the hobby I might show appearance on line. It's 848. A caller earlier mentioned the famous 1989. -- Billy Ripken obscenity card. I mentioned to him that I thought there were four. Versions of that card according to Wikipedia there are five. There was the original. Error with the obscenity on the bottom of the -- the knob of the bat. Earlier than quickly corrected it to a race that and they have one version with a marker. Like scrawled over the the word. That they have another one with white out on it. Yet another with the obscenity airbrushed out. And finally there was a black box just. Stock right over the other two words on the knob of the bat and Wikipedia says that this version is the one in all the factory sets. -- bought an 89 clear factory set. Which probably cost like ten bucks. Apparently that's the version of the Ripken card that would be in there. The others. Carry some value maybe the white Elkhart is the most expensive. Nothing huge there but it is a a curiosity. For sure that card let's go to Kevin next on WGR hi Kevin. Good morning might do on the question. Aide Dan Marino and Jerry raced out repeat our. And hey Michael current -- on the scorecard. I'm logo on -- continued general idea of what the value reached one of those would be. It depends on condition. If -- out if they're in perfect condition mint condition. You might be around fifty bucks for Marino I mean I'm -- I'm talking on graded. Fifty bucks for Marino about the same for rice and Michael Irvin might be five to ten. Upgrade it their all their original case in a bomb -- first came out so. That's that's a start but you also want. You know -- I say like mint and thinking also perfect centering and that's something that a collector can't control. Prior quarters and you know just regular handling though what you're talking about that of course matters to. Art OK your welcome by I collect. Graded. Hall of screen rookie cards football. And it's so like this is an area that I can't speak to a little bit not so much. The guys from the thirties and forties I've not gotten there yet with this them you know. It goes slowly I've been doing this for five and a half years and there's there's a lot still is always more to have to collect only have. So big of a house. You know so it's it's good like -- said before it's good to. Pare down when you can one such player pro football hall of Famer is Fred bullet -- We talked about on the show yesterday -- me give you a couple of things about him. -- I said yesterday were talking about bills and raiders in the history as the two teams. And political off I looked up his stats. For his era which is. Well before. Receiver started to put up monster numbers like hundred catches a year in and more. A political was good for 4050 even 61 catches one year that's good for late sixties early to mid seventies so. I was never sure about his his stat lines and I think. They they they look worthy to me of -- hall of Famer you can't judge him against Marvin Harrison. You know he's got to it's a whole different old governor of football so. McCain -- just you know solidified. Respect for having for Politico being in the hall of fame. And also his his rookie card is one of the tougher ones. In high grade for collectors 1965. Tops that's the tall boy tops issue. The one year where they made the bigger cards the year that the name the rookie is in with the yellow. Background for -- the -- it's greens -- Oakland to big picture of his head. So it's not you know most appealing part of all time but very tough centering on -- off. And high grade you're talking about several hundred dollars. I don't know the 3010s of that card Beckett PSA. Nines are tough to come by if they even exist. So he's a tough one since we mentioned him yesterday I thought -- work him into into the show to. I hope I made sense in that fancy example I just. I'm always thinking about how old there are as much as many people into collecting is I would like. And there's nothing really. To that it's it's I think -- is common for people whatever their into. Date they might like other people to -- into it or sometimes. Fail to understand why other people aren't into it be collecting takes. Definitely takes some money I mean you don't have to put a lot of money into it but. It's hard to do much with only a little -- say that. And have it be really fun. So there's that there's also time in the way people's lives it constructed were busy and we -- Even bothered to stop and think well what else could I do with my time. But if you are -- sports fan and you play fantasy sports like in -- can tell you this much to get you started I think you might really like collecting. I have one friend who right. I just you know between dusk and idolize as a collector He is always on the ago He He buys stuff and then. Months weeks later he's double that he's moving in to something else. And while I say I idolize and for this is that I think like many other collectors. I'm not as. As able to detach from stuff. I -- a total lot of money into something or. There's an emotional investment into a certain card and then the last thing -- wanna do is just move it. -- you know to buy something else but. This method enables him to have. More things. Oprah over the course of tigers as they have the prolonged. It's definitely another way to do it and it allows him you know he's he's at eleven mantle rookie at some timer. You know T 206 is at another time funded dabble in lots of things. Thanks for listening today I'll be back tomorrow for bill's post game I'm Mike show -- and.