Everybody good morning. It's been awhile since I've heard a good mom threw all my cards away story. For awhile here that was -- -- common and phone call. Yeah this what happening. And we just sort of commiserate permitted or you know I would. I would do my best to commiserate with the listener wrote called and tell me about the the Mickey Mantle rookie is or whatever old cards that. He used to -- usually guy. Used to have. But mom Romo -- it's been alive and heard that refrain. In. Weeks or months. So. I'm ready for a -- for a little bit of that covered for sob story. 8030550. Is my number thanks for listening this is the hobby every Saturday morning eight to nine on WGR. As I recently. Posted on Twitter. I will attempt. To link Bill Russell and Drew Stafford. Today that really linked -- wanna talk about both of them and thought it was just a little bit you know interesting that this this show enables me to do that. Collecting. It's it's the American League I don't wanna. Try to make some kind of a theory about it because that's when I get into trouble just talking myself and twists and turns spot. It's one thing that I really liked about collecting -- -- you can bounce around from new hockey old basketball. He can't. Always do that on your TV can't always do that. On the radio. But collecting it's whatever mood you're in is a sports fan and new vintage basketball hockey baseball football whatever you can go to. And that's one of the many reasons why I like it it's versatile. And I'll be I'm. Start by. Telling you what I set out to tell you about Russell and about Tom and about Stafford. And some other things to call me if you're like in erupt at any point I won't be offended I'd enjoy it 8030550. Is the number the big news today is that the NBA. Lockout appears to be over. And as it happens I bought a big basketball card this week actually last Sunday night Michael Jordan. Fleer rookie in a grade of eight. Which I'd never had before I did not collect that's that would it was out. Which I consider a disappointment I do not blame my mom. She didn't throw them away it's that for whatever reason in 86 after basketball. Cards had been dormant for a few years. They just did not reappear. In in my collection what happened for me I was very lucky for this and I'll forever be grateful to my mother for this she ran a gift shop. And would get wholesale prices and I'm cards. From you know baseball football whatever and -- be like ten bucks a box and -- like battery that lasts. And I had more 86. The -- were talking about basketball 86 baseball cards and I don't elect and anybody. But basketball and hockey to have tons of that which is good because hockey like basketball was not a sport that was. Widely produced that's pretty good to have mean for the mid eighties it's pretty good to have it's not super valuable or anything. Up basketball is that was the set to collect. In 86 was -- basketball. And now packs of that stuff run in the hundreds. Boxes are. -- that -- five figures. And they're out there you can you can find those I'd say with that -- basketball set by the way none of this is -- Bill Russell Drew Stafford where. You wanna buy a great impact. Because. Any any kind of big set where there's a big carted it shorting Gretzky. Have to worry a little bit more about tampering and what happened here's there's a quick clue available for you in those basketball cards and 86 clear. They ran alphabetically. So if you open a pack of 8687. -- basketball in the cards are not -- in alphabetical order it's spend. It's been touched. So by the grated pack which is not a 100% but it's pretty close. And my life I've bought four -- this clear basketball three graded one not. The -- not only was there are no evidence of tampering at all as the cards did run in sequence. I did very well on them bird and Julius -- in PSA and it was a it was a few hundred dollars each -- that packs but it paid off. And the one. Non -- -- that I bought was with a group of guys and we did not dwell on it there were some good grades and it. But no stars it's like they've all been pulled out and it was not an alphabetical order. That's that Bill Russell speaking of basketball then that's that'll be my my in. I think as basketball is in the news today the NBA appears to be back. I think -- it as a said a few times on the show I still think old basketball. As big potential. In collecting not be as if it's totally on discovered at this point. Compared with baseball even compared with football or there is -- quite the same appetite. For cards as is is -- basketball -- football it's not as true in baseball. Natural baseball. Basketball better shop in football I think scarcity is the -- that not only were the cards were talking about that I'm talking about. 61. -- -- for example the great set in the history of sports cars that only were there not as many of those produced. But it just seems that Tom. Just seems they're very tough to find I guess that's the same point 61 clear basketball which is a famous set. Wilt Chamberlain rookie a lot of rookie cards in these. Basketball sets here in there because they were making them every year have a few years off. Went 57. To 61. To 169. I just think those those cards are good investment how can you go wrong with that. They're there aren't that many of them this sport is still very popular. Chamberlain and Russell and Oscar Robertson and cousy and in that group of players. Their their elections. So. What I recommend and I've gotten better at this. In my own habits. Is if you have to give money to put into collecting which of course not everybody does but if you do. The temptation. With a hobby that's as addicting. As this can be it with any hobby but I think especially this one this one. Ranks in this way is to as soon as you have money to play -- Throw it into something. To get your fix. And if -- forty box. And you wanna be a car collector and you wanna go out and just start building something means when he box makes cutoffs but say it's 200 dollars. There's plenty you can buy for that 100 dollars better number -- the you can buy for that. But which -- probably better off doing if you have the strength. Is to sit tight torture hundred dollars aside and then do the same thing whatever next week next month however breaks down for you. And you just do that a few times you get to a point where you have 500 or you have a thousand. And that it's the Michael Jordan rookie that it's Bill Russell Wilt Chamberlain this is just limited to basketball whatever Clement today. Gretzky whatever whatever it is. That guy is for you. That's some. That's smarter. Because those big cards are the ones. That. There's just no equals. To those cards and it's the Russell rookie there's a Russell rookie selling tomorrow night on eBay. In PSA for that card should sell for 500 dollars or more. Mean that's just not even a good condition. It's not well Saturday. Those are big and that's really where the blue chips I've I've become more and more. This way as far as my thinking goes if not my habits the blue chip cards urges where it's at. And not this early high grade I mean who knows what's gonna crop up. Of course the older talking about the worst the odds that new stuff this is going to emerge I suppose just you know common sense. But. I think gum while also building a spawn a new stop despondent -- fun. Old stars urges the best way you can go. I mean there there's -- there's and eight list and then there's in eight plus list right mean your your realist guys. Are adamant that there are plenty of those fifty's and sixty's and seventy's hall of famers but then there's -- a list. Above that. You -- sports fortress of -- guys if I'm -- you have your Russell and Chamberlain in basketball and and Jim Brown from the what is -- 57 or 58 tops. Football set those cards commenting Colfax from 55. Of those guys and you have. Drysdale. And apple -- -- another guy's 57 and up but it's really I think. The legends. That. Just again common sense point. Where you you will will do well people are always asking me this dispersed collecting goes I'm focused on and all the time. Where can make money is that this or you'll make money but. Where it's I think toughest to go wrong. Is in that stuff. All right Russell Drew Stafford now this is interesting to me and I think this is a telling point. This is a question that comes in a lot to. Because you know Buffalo Sabres Buffalo Bills. Current players. If if you had a card store in the area of the guys -- bases loaded because it and in the cards stores around people are more likely to walk in. Especially when the team is doing well but you know that's -- right now. People are likely to walk in asking for Drew Stafford and their than they are for Bill Russell. So this is a more relevant point perhaps to of people driving around. And it's I think a telling point about in one whale of a hobby works. Now Stafford is not yet having much of a season and neither -- the sabres by the way but. He has had. It Lester was a very good year for him. And he's a guy that I think to -- extent fits the profile. Of somebody that there is interest and in collecting or should be. He's a pretty good player. He's on a team with a pretty good following our team. He's not European he's not a slogging. Defenseman musical score. On a team with many fans so what does the -- say about about this player -- Drew Stafford there has been a card on eBay for weeks. A cup rookie 200607. Was Stanford's rookie year in collecting. The cup is the top brand. In hockey cards. It's autographed it's a thick patch car with a Jersey piece and it like it's the best you can do. And and seller with decent enough feedback has had a Stafford. Rookie card from the cup on eBay. By now for 45 dollars. And that's for weeks that cart has been sitting their I've been watching it a couple of times I thought well this is less than I paid for mine. And I mean any cup patch rookie for that price is not crazy it's like I'm going broke on it. Why don't I just you know pull the trigger on that I have the card and really I just become eager to watch it. And it just sits there. And again it's the top card available. On a pretty good player on a pretty good team with a pretty good following. And right there if Mike descriptions right using. Pretty good three times. It's a little bit like the earlier point it tells you a lot about. How it works. This this this pretty good card pretty good player pretty good team is just not enough. So 45 bucks gets you that hard all day. They get a show in the area you'd see it. You know you see a price for sixty or seventy box and it may still move it probably wouldn't. May be a big Stafford -- comes by and it's explained to him or her that this is the best card you can have Stafford in the money's there and -- happens. But 45 bucks for snapper in the card does not move it just it tells you about. The difference between pretty good in grade a little bit gadget of the pretty good side of it if you will. And with hockey cards there are only a few guys in any sport there -- only a few players. That really. Have a bosses that really transcend. And that there would be a lot of motion -- in collecting and Drew Stafford does not rank. Being what he is is not enough. To make him. Any kind of hot commodity so people call up and I wish I had a list at the tip my -- guys bills and sabres emails I get some calls on the show. It's Stafford it's Tyler Myers it's Fred Jackson perhaps. Stevie johnsons better than Fred Jackson for this because he's younger. These guys what kind of interest is there in their cards the answer is almost none. -- these are top guys and you know some day like it used to be may be our top guys will be. Ranked higher than than they do right now -- will be stars none of these guys is really a star even Myers and Myers is young and it's. Widely thought that he'll grow window on but he really frankly is not done that yet. He has the Calder trophy which is an excellent achievement but he is not become a star player. And you know -- can say now is hopefully he will and that there seems to be the potential for that. And people do buy cards on potential it's what the whole rookie thing is about but. As a really happened yet so all our guys. Buffalo. Bills Buffalo Sabres almost all our guys are really just not not not. Ryan Miller included Ryan -- okay Ryan Miller. As far as collecting those beats those other guys and he's got more. Notoriety. He's not you know delete or anything like that as far as I see it anyway that's debatable it's it's you know if you listen to the station. But. He's not a guy that transcends and really those guys in hockey. Those guys in any particular sport or very few so you -- figure out where to put your money this does tie into the earlier thing. I'll stop you know. Lecturing here in a couple minutes not looking to do that stranded you know talk and give you something interesting and also fill the time. It's you we want to really consider. What kind of fame does the person have. And just being a pretty good player -- team with a nice following does not do it you can find really. You can find an -- Odyssey steals but really good values. If you just. Take a guy who is may be on Stafford level or little better and find a team that has less of a following. If Columbus had that guy here in Nashville or one of these teams Phoenix. Then the -- a way to make I've done that a number of times and I've I've done OK with that Shea Weber somebody for that that I've mentioned. I thought maybe -- terrorists. Would be that player for Phoenix and that hasn't really happened yet all he's been pretty much don't force so far. Is a holdout that I think recently ended so that hopefully gives you some idea if you're out there and thinking about spending some money. Getting in the collecting how to do it my advice in shorts save your money for the big big names. And -- there also takes up less space. That way so that mom. Can't my mom is less of a factor she's less of a threat. Why did she want to throw out all that stuff. Because. It's taking up a lot of space that's why. Does that start she doesn't -- You know what I need to do today. Throw out all my kids cards. Now she says. To clean up. And this is this is clutter is taking a lot of space turn it into a much smaller. Quantity. And she's just right out here where that's what I would say about that. It is supposed to be very nice out for the season today mid fifties cloudy but I'm definitely warm. For late November so well another and it's always Matthew if you noticed that a lot of these nice warm days have been on Saturdays. I don't know if they planned it that -- but yes you work on Saturdays he might have more of a frustrated viewpoint on that I'm -- every Saturday. To spend. Beautiful very warm very livable. So now about -- rub anything in here if you're here I'm out here at 9 o'clock. -- throw my card yesterday. Heather I'm looking forward to be an outside today and distillate you know as you get started with your day here that time the forecast is good 57 and wet. Tomorrow which slight chance arraigned today okay sports -- big news with the MBA settlement apparently. In the works and it mobile phone caller 28030550. Is the number of if one I've been saying appeals to you talk about anything else related to card collecting sports I'm here for it. And I hope we get a chance to talk. I might show and this is the hobby on WG -- I'm up welcome back to the hobby I might show Matthew -- is here today Matthew likes to rock out on Saturday morning. So hopefully in a couple hours. You are you on that day sell on what's the plan cells -- onion. The sabres play tonight against Washington in pre game is at six with face off at seven of course the -- game tomorrow one. And Bulldog and as always. Are here for that. For the post game show. -- Quick point and then to your phone calls if you've got -- 8030550. Is the number this is the hobby of course and WGR. I wanted to say that so. He noticed I had this thought on the drive here this morning. Ponies to come in for the show a couple of years ago less so last year and it's evolved to this point. A couple of years ago when -- come in the one thing I need to make sure I had. Was an SMR sports market report the price guide from PSA. My focus is more greeting cards and on graded by. Either way Beckett or SMR price -- I I felt that I could not do this without one. That people would call in and if they did they want of the -- 1975. Tops George Brett rookie was worth. I need to be able to answer it so the poor play at home. Now the idea of having a price guide for that purpose or for any purpose. On this job almost. Offends me not only now do -- not have one. I'm really glad. Not to have won and until it goes way beyond just. Of the show as a collector would get. The magazine in the mail. And it was just the most exciting thing I'm not talking about being thirteen years old and exactly two years ago. I love to get that magazine and even though I do. That none of the prices of anything -- urban changed and there really. I still couldn't get enough of filing through it and booking whatever they want got that I've got that love to have this. And just playing that out in my head even though it was a total was totally -- exercise in futility. That the prices and what would it when it occurred to me and I -- when they realized. -- the prices were even close sometimes. It's. Almost like you think it's two totally made up. Then then it got to a point where like what's the boy is this exercise really four. And I lost it. For the price guides in -- it's more now for me offensive. That they exist and are so after the exist but that they exist the way they are. Without any real effort at all for whatever reason lazy this man power. May be that they just don't want you to know the truth there's I mean in the hobby that's always there. For whatever reason. The numbers in that book you cannot trust them at all. They are at best. A starting point for a conversation. In a store. About want a card should be -- that for sale. At best. No accounting for condition in the Beckett price guides it's just let's start here at -- -- eighty box okay let's have a conversation now what do you think fifty how does that sound. That the it serves that purpose but. As far as the prices go only that purpose so. It's just a very different place. I'm in if you wanna no I'd say I say this all the time kind of leaving his point out. You wanna know what your cart is worth you've got to go look up sales of that car and that's what you find out. You don't go you'll you'll go to a book if your book says that card is worth 200 dollars Cuba Mario LeMieux rookie. And what is even say in pry a 1005200. Whatever it says. Good luck. Remember a woman named jaskol Walters who may be listening she's been on the show. She used to work David Adams and I would sometimes I'd get a really good car I would. Notified her like Jessica I just pull this whenever. And was. A major -- Peterson. Parallel. Rookie card signed numbered 25. In ultimate football two years ago three years ago I didn't buy the product was new. And I was super excited and I thought this is a great card this is like his rookie card only -- -- so I went to the book in the book says a thousand dollars. The book price. It's a short break but it's not a 101 so there's a price in there. A thousand dollars is the book price for this. Autographed. Adrian Peterson rookie. And I texted her to say I just openness. The book prices a thousand dollars. And her response was. Good for you good luck getting that and it's so right some of those prices urges so outrages. And inflated that. They shouldn't even be there they should even be there and also. On on my soapbox here also. Not just are they sometimes inflated. But the opposite for whatever reason in in a -- -- sometimes the prices are way below. What the actual prices is -- prices are excuse me -- it when you're talking about a card debts. In a PSA 89 say from the early sixties. And there are many in at a high grade it may be there are no tends. And it's even if it's a common. The book will pay it no he did all it might say. Common cards PSC 980 box some number like that you look on eBay. And on the rare occasion that a Carly card like that cells might -- for a thousand dollars. I -- example lists. This happened in May when a card it just listed as a common was -- like 125. I sold it and I I sold for 17100 dollars like. What's the book for what's the point. So it goes both ways and that's obviously in the -- a good story for me. But I just would never even think to have a price guide here now because of the best it would do is give you something misleading. Toward. You know figuring out what something is really worth of course that's still the the biggest reason. Why people get in touch with me through the show is like what's this worth what's this autograph -- what's this all worth what's this cart. Look it up you don't need me. I don't know more than the market nose was booked on eBay and find out and then you're done I don't have any inside information. About that all I would do is the same thing. And you don't need a password for that only in the you don't need to become a hobby resume for that -- you need is a computer. All right I'd love a caller 28030550. Is the number Allen is on WGR -- They might get in the opposite what you're talking about their two by -- by the cops -- -- by the a couple of my pull to 99 rookies this Hagan in -- back to back into their cases books that all the Kmart at fifteen. I ended -- -- -- for the -- and six for the -- and it's amazing to me what happens like when a guy gets real -- when that rookie comes -- it's real -- then you -- which -- careful what you -- the beginning but like I'm -- -- he comes out -- cup this year this stuff -- real high when he gets the starting -- now we had about two or three bad games he didn't get a couple -- from about forty bucks less now that you -- 23 weeks ago and it's amazing how that happened to me as -- car prior that certainly happened so you -- sometimes just wait. Like killer -- books that's for you can get -- kill -- for 1817. Hundreds and I would lean on that just like you are still and let me know that so I have to say may be getting it you know. You talk about that because Jonas and rust off would really start to get a bit hard to say. -- Thank you -- all it is is. It's just basic. Hot and cold the meaning he had a guy who was really hot and that's how. That's how the world works when his. Where his play is top notch and he's like a three stars of the week caliber guy. Then there's a buzz in the in the cards go up that's that's just how little noises. That's thank you let's go to WGR I. I felt Colin. -- -- from -- grandfather. There that aren't content. In their old -- car. A leader not a precondition -- elected in -- -- all. It back so I have no liked your work -- To go through these are. Agencies. Are people there are people are shut possibly refresh. How how old. All. In the sixties and seventies okay and the majority of them are in Russia. Yeah. That's a tough spot urine. That that's a job if it's a lot of cards. It's may be too many to throw away I understand your hesitation toward that. You'd -- what -- probably if the goal is to get the most out of it. Then. You'll spend a good you'd spend a good amount of time. Getting organized and then you have to ask yourself well. Is it worth my time to do that that's a question I can't answer for you but. If I'm if you're open to the idea. Of you know seeing if there is some value -- it. Then you wanna go through it separate the star players out separate. All the cards that are in really nice shape if there are any. Regardless of who is on the card that doesn't have to doesn't have to be Mickey Mantle. To be worth something if the card is meant. So those are a couple of basics. And then at the end of that maybe you take those that you separated. And other to a dealer or to show weigh in and see if you can move them if condition is. You know difficult. Then there's not going to be a lot of money in it no matter who it is but it's not -- mean nothing neither. If you have cards going back to the sixties. So well you know -- -- read it because people and then later. And tomorrow night. -- Yeah that's that's that's an option you have -- like to recommend for people that have big amounts of cards big quantities but they're not sure. If anything's -- conditions -- people may be like yourself. It does again. It goes again require putting a little time in but. When I like to recommend is turning that port city have. Whatever you have is worth 500 dollars. Turning that into five litter box and importing some of that may be all of it. Toward one or two things that are nicer on display. And that are more in tune with what you like. You see a -- you've got this big gold collection that other people in your family built not you. And if you have 500 dollars or thousand dollars worth of stuff just you know to put a number on it if you could. Put the work in and turn that into a 500 dollar piece an autograph or. You know certain cards it's like your favorite player than you display that and that's better. But again that that requires putting some time and effort and OK -- good luck good luck it's a project. And that just like you know it's cards it's anything in boxes in your house. It's a job we put off is it not is and that kind of want the kind of thing we always put off. Plus again backed this if these Saturdays are all going to be so nice note was gonna go open their attic in and dig through water to rise today. 8030550. Is the number time for more -- if you're up for it I'm Mike show here on the hobby. This is WGR. Welcome back to the hobby on WGR I'm Mike Cho here with you until nine. I talked about Bill Russell talk about Drew Stafford and a third name was part of my little preview tweet. Today that was Brooks Robinson and I'm very lucky for this I have a friend from Grand Island. Who now lives in Baltimore. And has. Become friends with Brooks Robinson. It's his wife's family who knows who knew Robinson in the first place. And my friend Tommy sees. Brooks Robinson quite often. And maybe a funny story. And at one point I never. Initiated this by. Tommy knew I was a collector we go way back he's on my best friends from when I was little. And we we bought cards and open them together the set I think about griping about Tommy and cards is 1979. Eighty hockey the Gretzky set and we just played with those constantly who knows how many Gretzky is I had. Where they ended up if they were just torn up we drew one ma'am I mean who was. But anyway so he knew I was collecting and I had a conversation with a couple years ago I talked about how I've expanded -- got these jerseys now. And recently like six months ago maybe he said you know I know Brooks Robinson I'd be happy to get an autograph for you. And I was appreciative. As well if you're really offering. I'll buy a Jersey and send it to deal. Because that's what I collected rather have that then. You know an index card or even have a baseball card. So I did that I bought a Jersey on eBay. I had it shipped right to Baltimore because there was so emergency time wise turns out they're in need to be but that's what happened and never looked at this Jersey before. It arrived at my friend's house eventually. He got autograph it took awhile he saw Robinson a couple times in fact one time was the day of a World Series game this year. And the reason he saw him was that there was a ceremony for a statue in Baltimore. And my friend was there as a family friend. And Robinson. After the ceremony he got really tired and he was sort of overcome by it. And he told my friend look I'm I'm canceling luncheons and Goldman arrest. So my friend and contacted me and said no autograph today he just didn't feel up to it. It's funny. That night I was watching the World Series and Ken Rosenthal had a report about this it's this statue when he said that Robinson was really overcome by -- I know. So anyway finally just the other day a friend saw Robinson he signed. Signs Jersey for me I'm so excited about it it'll be the only one I have which is this kind of erotic. The the only one I have. That I have my name on it. However it happened Robinson signed it to meet personally. And the jerseys I've collected don't have that which I have to admit I kind of like. Because if some day I wanted to trade them are seldom. You can't if it has your name really mean what is Matthew wanna buy my two Mike show Brooks Robinson Jersey. -- -- -- So anyway I at first like oh well. But that I thought this is really cool. The ironic part is there been other autograph that I've collected myself. But don't have my name on it this guy I've never met him but it's like I did because of this mutual. -- we have so I'm very excited to have that Robinson. While not quite. You know he's. The legend that certain other players are. As like all time greats. He's a hall of Famer he's. Definitely a great you know when you think about his fielding his consistency his longevity. Announcing he doesn't belong in the hall of fame at all. Just saying there's all there's. A higher level. In in baseball but Tom you know that point need not be made he's a great. And I'm very glad to have this this Jersey coming my way actually as a coming my way I did actually receive it the other day so that's my Brooks Robinson story. All right let's let's get a couple of calls in before we're done here is read on WG RI Fred. -- -- -- If I'm actually from -- New York but -- -- living in Florida and economic drag about a week ago. And I found this -- -- obvious official ball from the N National League. And it was back in back -- so there. And I don't know what year was the word -- I don't think sentiment played it -- -- The president was Leonard has called junior and -- winner that would be worth anything where. -- search eBay for Feller auto ball and you find out. A fairly common. Signature for a guy who is great is Feller was he signed. Everything. Were about fifty years. -- -- there are lots of his autographs on the market but that that. Doesn't mean your ball is worthless not at all. Yeah at this annually was Leonard. Coleman I think he was in 1994. Accurate. Doesn't really matter to nationally ball -- didn't play in the National League. Not too much significance with that. -- -- I just wanted to see what I can look it up and eBay. Yeah that's that's what you should do. Fred that's what anybody should do whatever whenever you have something that you wanna know what it's worth. On no more of an authority on that then the market so eBay Feller auto ball that you see. Multiple things -- to guess you'll have that's not I wouldn't bet my house on it there's not always. Multiple Bob Feller autographed balls on eBay and any one moment but again fairly a fairly common signature. Alright thanks for the call here is Joseph on WG RI -- Hey and I did that some might not be adjusted and I refer to nine. That your grandfather used to own. Our New York City and -- -- county to. To go there and he's got a picture on the wall. In -- mark mark down their arms around each other. And excited personally to hand and when I went over there and looked at it would make a really key frame and etc. to get up there were some money she didn't -- and nights frame and you know take care of it. Yes especially. Because it also has sentimental value to. Yeah yeah good cool I don't know the Marciano autograph it's better than. Well doesn't matter how it compares with Bob Feller me I think it's probably rarer Feller was just there was a saying about Feller that. You were really collector we didn't have a Feller autograph but. Marciano would would be pretty good perspective it's personalized -- that's the point of just making about Brooks Robinson. But yeah I I I think you're thinking is it is quite right to work to preserve something like that especially if it has a family. You know the meaning. Like that so. As far as the autograph itself that's probably good to but the virtualization. Really is that distinguishing factor. Of something like that and that makes it valuable to someone. More than just valuable. You know in general if that makes sense thank you Joseph I've got to go -- late. We've got the best of WG are coming up high school sports long interesting Bundy a programming your on WGR stay tuned for that. I'm Mike show thanks for listening to the hobby here every Saturday morning on WGR.