Jerry Sullivan Buffalo News college joins us. Happy first snow of the season mr. Sullivan how are you today. And I had a football went -- -- thought you know it's so white and the root out of the -- I have defying my -- -- what we're. Or the crisis you know. -- did did you pay attention yesterday we were telling everybody there's snow coming you're supposed to dig out the gloves the hat. The boots there's this great Burke put it in your car finder -- do all that stuff. I was in my column and it -- -- yesterday were like. We search every single -- -- End up with a column but quite a long boat there was it was awful I don't wanna. Yeah well a lot going on actually let me let me start football would we do a lot of ground to cover -- -- the bills won another game this season. I I abetted I'd make one would be ideal partner I think the three hottest teams in the proper and reluctant to play Miami Denver knowing when. Miami outlook yet -- collapse that they've won or but -- three I don't know I'm Nicole won seven -- I think it windier. Citizens who want to hear it thank again really. Challenged and it looks in its probably gonna fire at these midterm -- term but the -- -- developed and and they're significant Jacksonville well. -- -- Yeah and who had a clear line that's two men we'll see -- If we can establish Jerry Sullivan here. I'm a product snowy Easter roar. There is snow on the ground so. Wait a -- was gonna snow down south until later -- preemptively. Say something. Crist today will be the day did you park street has no of course today they were actually applause or with the -- preemptively. If Europe because today today. All my god it's too which is noted everyone forget how to drive no. Everyone remembered how to drive in the snow. Slower. Safely. So this is awful right up that right I doubt it but everybody's ST yeah -- yeah -- everybody forgot how to drive everyone remembers how to drive in the snow. You're supposed to go slower if you're blazing down the -- ninety while there's snow on the ground -- the person that forgot how to drive that's not okay. -- -- -- we got brakes on the car. This doesn't affect stop time you can break just like it's -- you've been out there I don't Wichita when. Right Ali tellem that it's still worry about it got breaks on your -- I have no faith in your arms what New York but most overrated drivers probably in the country. Bulls it yeah drivers you've got a lot about resurgent this. Are you I've not done voluminous research on not just on the Internet with personal research like being out there and watching one person don't want you know a person goes sixty. -- -- -- -- Everywhere young males that don't just just don't know a lot of -- -- behave. The area out there also these vehicles people drive they think there all of them are my little Saturn and aren't that -- 2000 miles but. Anyway I don't know what happened there. I houses the old houses don't do very well with electronics. Perhaps -- me. Maybe you should upgrade your card your house -- you're you're just finish we lost you in the midst of your thoughts on. The bills remaining schedule -- -- let me bring up this point because you talk about Miami you're right they are. You know what the hottest teams in the conference in the league right now we're talking about the possibility of a bills team that was once five into. And a Miami team that was once all in seven and the dolphins passing the bills the bills finishing last in the AFC. Target put an area that I would -- predict that they would finish last and that's it. -- -- -- -- And again I don't -- I'm not a fan but I'm in depressing. If that point where you're writing -- on columns and looking at the play off site you know -- postpone my hip surgery and here you go. It's even worse and oh wait that's what we're looking at -- they run the table obviously it works and -- -- and why apple look at it and -- what happened. And my conclusion now that the bottoming out and continuing it did -- it was an illusion that it had injuries like neighbors. But the talent level that he and it's just not there and they can't withstand a couple of injuries that all teams yet. And I think -- -- remain help if they thought would -- and Iowa and I don't think they're any better than you know seven it went in anyway which is an improvement. So it -- back how good are or how good are the kids and so -- there you go up a wait and see if they can expect another good draft. Let's I wanna ask you about the bottoming out comic because I mean how do you bottom out. If you're five and two and if the injuries are the difference between five and eleven in May be seven in your heroics -- nine or an eight Nate. They -- -- bottoming out it's an injury thing is do you bottomed out when -- five into this season. Well I've -- bottoming out isn't so much the record it's the level of talent on Iraq and work you have to do to become a legitimate contender after years of bad drafts. And in this way you can be 79 and there years like that they should be bottoming out there with 79 because -- can keep your head up all of water and a mediocre league feel a couple when you shouldn't get and then. Never really apt to do that maybe we wouldn't undressed and it's almost oceans work but that's true bottoming out I guess. More about. -- are you rebuilt that. You know I'm an employee you can tread water which is probably the worst thing you can do and I thought they bottom out -- grow and -- but they're gonna -- could lose their laps. How many nine B nine if -- -- -- did it's it's the inverse of donated on -- and and so. It looks like a -- to me. You call. So maybe maybe it starts to come out of it. You know this year if you believe in shepherd and Spiller and and various. But you just. You need to that spot about the extent that you can draft and and yet players and here -- to really be good again and so. I don't know the immigration someday define what bottoming out really means it was really an issue at 79 when it. They were concealing a lot of shortcomings in the roster. Was -- thing that note that Jerry very few teams do intentionally. You know a lot of times it's dawn and the look back and say oh yeah that was the bottoming out but. Every team tries to win every game and that's the case this week the colts are gonna try to win. They're gonna get credit for bottoming out when in reality all they'll do with Louis Peyton Manning and put together -- pretty bad football team can't win any games self. A lot of times you laugh you kind of have to step in to bottoming out even if you do -- unintentionally. There and admitted to get lucky next year and players young players get better and don't get -- you -- comes back and -- backed by a Pro Bowl level -- good players a full season -- -- good American and Eric that you know it just. Twelve years without playoffs it just seems like one big stretch to me and it's like. How to how to distinguish one per year from another after watt units see it looks like all five to me. -- when that you're gonna outlast your community that I'm -- I guess at the point where I'm just streaming. So -- ripped -- in and put it perspective. I he would go on out there I think they're one of the worst or five teams in the league right now so where's the park. -- and that's why I wanted to ask you sell it because it's weird that we're having this discussion in the very same season where they were five and two but I wanted to let you brought up. A few young names a moment ago here's one at. You need to like we're gonna test -- if you can like basically stop on a dime at like an athlete and by changer direction just like that. Are there any bright spots what are the bright spots if someone came up Q and at. On -- any bright spots right now for the bills in the season that's gone terribly bad and as you said might still be them bottoming out. I'm here I'm there. Let's see this is why the last few weeks you're not I hear this -- the last two weeks or so depressing because if we had this discussion a month and a half ago. I would had a handful of number of bright spots like to point out what the ones that were there seemed to have diminished completely. You know the problem. They probably is that the bright spot they're now making big money and they're no longer value guys. Guy who fits -- that Stevie Johnson has been paid but he he will never again be in you know. 50700000. Dollar guy ever read the real value player. They Jerry can I follow aren't that overplayed. You can follow up and I've spent the better become that are so retirement is like you you win with a I in the first contract core value guys and who create and then your role and veterans were paid well because they're good. On on a follow up on the because I I agree that is how works around here. Two other teams have that conversation and I and I use that term real teams this Pittsburgh. Talk about how -- value guys they have. The giants talk about value guys the cowboys -- like. But the Packers saying you win with value guys are they winning with great players like Aaron Rodgers is going to be a value guy Charles -- he's not a value guy. Clay Matthews you know they're they're gonna consistently they're receivers Greg Jennings makes a ton of money. But they don't worry about value guys because. -- But this -- to talk about a but the reality you know and I'm glad I would hope some -- Smart people and prevent we're talking about -- is the value guy in his second year last year and games sparks. He did have those players on Iraq I don't defend him more good players. No that's if that's only part of what I'm saying I guess we have we have come to accept that is normal and talking about fits as like a high priced guy he's not in his Stevie Johnson gets paid as a starting receiver who puts up Monty puts up numbers. Around the league wherever he would sign it look like -- like I got paid a lot of money he's a receiver now here. You Wear that like this giant. Yeah it's a scarlet letter on your chest that about what we how we treated Vatican the starting his contract. That was a huge weight and now we look at is that -- -- it makes them money we're used to it now and he's really good. Like in hockey haven't Thomas panic is a guy was paid a lot and he produces. With a golf subtle sabres Thomas panic is a giant contract. Yes I've written he would have gotten it -- money. They helpful than they still hadn't and they have guys who don't excellence and big historic but patriots way to do it Belichick epic action. You organize in left and right different positions but they also have a lot of young guys it. But also a minute and a cup quarterbacks out of I don't know what argued that it really arguing it now -- well -- is the moral -- have guys like you're. The year they had our Korean walker did. Earning money I don't know that he is earning money -- not -- like I'm making decent money you who aren't exceptional -- it back to. I don't bottoming out probably doesn't field among the starters earned in the top app app it was in late it's very shortly. But -- what you can. I I guess at what I'm trying to get -- and I'm on your right I'm not arguing with but. Here we are will say they're burning money in the same breath will be mad that they left hand -- ago but they would have told -- their burning money out Hangartner he's not that good. Does the -- we had last week the bills endlessly. Let their starting players -- with the mindset he's not thank -- it's a -- he's not elite which it paid Jabari Greer we need today. You know Whitner and Posluszny -- latest ones and glad that -- bring those guys back but. Pat Williams Jonas Jennings and -- Antoine Winfield Nate Clements overtime it's endlessly telling us that guy's not a lead so we don't we shouldn't -- him. Other teams signed their guys and that the reason that the bills are a failure to meet the last ten years we kind of stumbled and this last week. I think they don't sign their good players they'll have a guy who is good -- job and a lot of walk is he's not a legal Jason with a draft pick. And they've done the running back position for 31 round picks now. They did it when Bledsoe was kind of good and they went for first tropical -- and and caught Bledsoe and went all the lost in with a 97 football team. You know whether it's G reversible Larry Sanders the one season they got rid of a bunch of guys. A much targets. And they consistently. Yeah right now you're -- -- -- gaming guys who they we've -- they've gone I mean I get your point but what are probably different -- that you mean I know just saying that it you do. It happened. Hit enough good player in the draft. Differently. The pay big money. No I understand that but -- an impact guy like that let him go but they haven't enough of them you know a little bit of regret that he made an -- to -- -- for your that the M you know. One million -- -- and can be -- good old. Well they keep what they keep just Winfield and Clements and Pat Williams is this team make the playoffs at some point. London Fletcher Steele and lead I'm not saying these guys are great I know they're not. What I'm saying is. That they let guys who are good enough -- And chase it would draft picks -- draft picks don't hit. But the guys that they've hit on Stevie Johnson will be another draft pick they've hit on if they let walk. We'll always do they'll draft to receive replacement would be the next James Hardy the next Stevie Johnson like the always chase their guys that walk out the door that are good enough. And when they put so much pressure on draft picks I think that's what's ended up caught catching up with them as their -- that the use -- the chase guys that are good. They picked the wrong guys are very in the first significant front seven -- -- picked in the first round in chain problems before that was -- that. Pretty significant front seven that that the players and 15 years at the big problem for me. -- and you end up finding got quarterback. And running back and leveraged and safety. But yet. Suddenly and probably wouldn't have a unique climate eighty million dollars I try to make the decision on the -- -- and you're you're right but also type of players they draft. Are bigger problem and not get -- and -- support for the day that he actually does play you know all the ballot consume and you're looking at giving him a hundred million dollars. Celek they really had not done the right way. In this sport to be talked and that's why it's a point every year they get run over because they're physically worn down and teams that are soft and struck the wrong way get hurt more than others. And the same thing by the way with the papers you know injury there excuse after awhile the -- players get hurt. -- -- -- syrup football Friday back at 430 today go find your snow gear and get shoveling. Reported it right apparent.