Good morning everybody I'm Mike show thanks for listening to the hobby every Saturday morning I'm here eights and nine. Talking about cards autographs. Memorabilia. Whatever comes up and feel free to bring something up on like our weekday show mine with Bulldog. And so much -- a stickler about topics. And done kind of -- I have a very narrow focus sometimes at least on that show but on this one. I've got my legs crossed in sitting back am hoping that always when I'm in here on Saturday mornings that some of you take the opportunity to call Lynn. Be it because you have something that you found in your house or that front as you wanna know the value of it or what to do with that. What it is a sometimes I can help not always spot. I'm a mom always up to trying up -- trying. And you know it could be anything else. I like this. This weekend very much for the show Super Bowl weekend. Because. It it brings out two topics that I I think I know a bit about. And that are interesting to me. And one is collecting Super Bowl MVPs. As I've mentioned on the show before I started. In December of 2010. And decided it wanted to collect. Super Bowl MVP signed mini helmets. And what's happened with that is that I collected about two thirds or three quarters of them. In about eight months time. And then in these six months or so since I haven't found any I haven't collected any is that for lack of trying -- -- Tom haven't gotten lucky so wanna talk a little bit about how that how that is then and what you might. Wanna know from my experience about collecting Super Bowl MVPs. And when I say mini helmets by the way sometimes people tell me that they think -- talking about the little ones in Gumball machines. That I also did collect when I was a kid but. Bigger than that but smaller than the real thing about halfway. In between -- they would fit the tiniest babies head. Not that. That's -- recommended use. So but I did. But it actually my daughter is -- put the put the little mini helmet next to her just -- never went as far as I know. -- So MVPs are one thing. The other that I think is on right rather start the show is the news today or now tonight just like everything else. Related to football and often related to any sport. It's gotta be in primetime it's a hall of fame vote announcement. There's got it's got to be at night. My first Super Bowl I went to five and my first one was in 2001 in New Orleans and it was the year Jim Kelly made the hall of fame. And we would always -- they went to super bulls I didn't go to the games it was their for the week doing radio shows and and with the game on Sunday on Saturdays we would always fly home. And that Saturday was and still is the the day for the hall of fame announcement again in this case now what's that night. Andre reed is up again this year I think it may be is his seventh rate time. I 2000 water or February of 2002. Kelly was up and I remember that that morning very well the announcement might have been at noon. And as soon as. It was announced. And it was. You know there was a few minutes a little bit of time for talking to people doing an interview were too. We weren't right to the airport and left New Orleans. Ends as it was very interesting day of my first time there Kelly made it of course. I was not a particularly strong class he went in with Dan Hampton. George Allen was not you know loaded with with. Legendary players. And Dave Casper may be also that year it was really interesting. Getting to know some of the voters talking to them during the week about how the process works and what what Kelly's chances were -- remember Mike Lupica. Being there that morning was in a ballroom the announcement was in the ballroom -- big signs now it's on TV of course but even in. In 2002 wasn't it these big signs for the guys who got voted in and they just pulled a jewelry up. -- you can see who was in remember lupica. Outside. Before the at the media were called in for the announcement interviewing voters one being Larry -- -- while I was there -- -- About about Bill Parcells and rumble what's the problem -- How can you deny Bill Parcells. And Larry's opinion and others was that he's still coaching. And -- -- there -- back -- -- though he's retired but when we think he's gonna be coaching again do we not just have a conversation with John Clayton. Two days ago saying the very same thing but. From what Clayton how he sounded -- pretty much decided that Parcells. May be used to be believed this time. That he's that he's not going to go back to the sideline so he's up he seems like a pretty obvious choice if you knew we were retired and that's a that's an issue for the voters. As far as collecting goes and I would love some feedback on this or anything that you hear me bring up 8030550. Is the number of lines are -- -- now. As far as. Collecting goes with the hall of fame in mine I do get this question. From time to time. What happens to the values on guys that get voted in to their prices go way up. And I'm open for debating this some of you listening may have. More expertise on it and I have really heavily bend following. Cards although I've been doing it avidly for about six years. But this has been my experience with it. That prices will go up a little bit to a lot on everybody. But the ones that. Don't go up much are the biggest names. If bomb. Yahoo! does this is a tough year for this example because there are any huge names in the sport their obvious to go in but. Maybe last year the year before Deion Sanders a guy like that. When his name comes around for the hall of fame. And then he makes it there's really not that much of an impact the start signing. HO west 2011. Or whatever would be. You know with his autograph he he can do that inscription. We should point out that Bruce Smith. Was known to do that even before he made it which you know -- Pretty tacky it's pretty Bruce. So if you think guys -- way but. That the inscription collectors will pay a little bit more for that and the players won't usually do that before they make it. But a guy like Deion Sanders who people think is going to the hall of fame anyway. Really there's not that much of a ball. It's the guys that you never heard of and there are those guys or at least guys that I never heard of that get in the older players whether they call the veterans committee or not. The older guys that get voted in. This year it's two guys I'd never heard of before. That are up for consideration -- stand fell who was an offensive guard in the fifties for Detroit in Washington. And a quarterback from the fifty's named Jack Butler who played for Pittsburgh. These are the two considerations and it seems these veteran guys he's old timers do very well. In the room getting into the hall of fame so. Not so much now because it's you know it's Decision Day but. A year ago or early on in the process. If you if you knew. If you knew who the guys were going to be that would sift their way to the finalists -- in the media captain or. You know could take up an educated guess you could definitely make some money at that. Picking out who the old timers are that will go in the span of less than a year from obscurity. To immortality as they as they say in in football. Those guys do not rate at all. Or barely above common status. Until. They get lumped in with the hall of fame and then when they make it it's it's big money. I happen on on the PSA. Website PSA a top rating company cards degraded after -- always think Albany steps to go back here cards degraded. PSA is a leader the leader for vintage cards. And one of the features on PSAs website as many of you do know is what the called a set registry. And you take all your grade cards you enter in the serial numbers on the on the slab. And you can compare what you've got with other people. I partake in the Super Bowl and this deductible MVPs the Pro Football Hall of Fame rookie card category. Just you know -- then it started because. There are a lot of guys that make the Pro Football Hall of Fame more than make it in baseball. And I had tons of cards from the seventies and eighties so it OK I can do this -- some and then I could be on this list that I just started buying. Guys like Walter Payton and cards they didn't have graded to add some mighty on my list on the registry I think I have about 40%. A ball. Pro football hall of famers -- rookie cards great which is okay nobody from the you know the fifties are back. Or at least a couple of guys only from the fifties. So anyway that one I don't know that it's the most hotly contested category or most popular category. But it would seem to me that it might be. And there are just a lot of people that. Try to put those collections together pro football hall of famers rookie cards graded. So when -- stand -- if he were to make it goes from -- act guide to the hall of fame in such a short period of time. This card rises for whatever the the common pretty much the common price for 1955. Boldin would be. In in nice conditions they -- a six or seven on a scale of one to ten maybe that's a fifteen or forty -- 45 dollar card gassing. When he goes -- -- fame that baby is a hundred dollar card. So if you knew who the right guys were to -- and you are willing or or willing to. You know take some chances with that. Get a few guys that it your guys are gonna be a Boston if they don't make it this year there's always next year if you happen to know that. Such a player is going to be considered for the hall of fame. To me I'm not gonna ever. Due to a point I say -- now. Where I would ask one of the voters for like inside information on that is that wouldn't feel right to me but you -- you expose you to do that if you have no somebody like who's next -- old timer that gets a look. And there is some some money and you just don't settle or stop that one card you buy all the -- in this -- case you buy all the Jack Butler. Cards you can get your hand on I suppose great mall and then. Just start to trickle them out into the market when if he makes hall of fame so I'm always trying to think of ways for myself and to impart on the show. More you can possibly make money at collecting and in this might be one. So it's a bit long winded but. That's that's my angle with a Pro Football Hall of Fame is as a football fan I just think it's watered down I mean there's so many guys who make it. Every year there's a quota. And it's not to me as interesting. As the Baseball Hall of Fame where there's much more debate and it's much stricter. So I don't have as much interest in the football one but I do. From a collector standpoint. And while I'm talking about the Super Bowls again before I continue I'll throw the number route again if you've got a comment or question. 8030550. Have got an hour and I'm I'm Opel to hear from some some listeners. The the MVPs on the helmets brought that up before. One misconception. That I had. Which I discovered pretty early on in the process of collecting MVPs. Is that Jake Scott. Who was the MVP of Super Bowl 74. Miami he is not an especially. -- difficult signature. I was told the beginning that he was he didn't do very many shows but guess there's there's. And a thought that he isn't as much around the Miami reunions in the does 72 Dalton. Type stuff that -- out there that he may be more difficult on that front but it seems to -- Jake Scott. Does plenty of shows. And that's all you need for -- these retired guys. Is for them to do card shows and then. Their autographs obviously with that are out there another possible misconception. Is that the old guys are tougher. I was asked recently about my collection and and I was asked will you seem to have all the old guys but not so much newer guys and that's that's exactly right. The newer guys who were still playing the Manning's Brady Aaron Rodgers. These guys don't to as many shows. And if if they do wedding. And done with that their autographs or tougher usually what they'll do I think is alive with a certain company that handles all their autographs. And they're usually very expensive that way the company's got you over a barrel and if you want. You know. Brady or Manning and football Derek Jeter in baseball you have to go. Generally two to one guy. There'll be some second -- stuff. Looked around on eBay but if you -- direct you wanna have that assurance that it's that it's legit. Or early to greater extent of that that's that's how you you go so those guys -- the guys I don't have. Brady Manning Manning Rogers. Even -- And that's big money and I'm stuck with my collection the misconception. He misconception might be. That the older guys are tougher and they're really not guys like Bart Starr and Starr bock and Brad -- These guys have been signing. Four for decades since they retired. And that that means that you can get those guys pretty easily there big names the religions. They're not cheap or anything. You know you might be looking at a hundred boxer a little less on eBay for those guys that's that's how I did but Brady and Manning in the newer guys Emmitt Smith. Although he started to do more I think. Those guys are really tough. Here we have -- on WGR Fred. Are. You. Go I'm -- they're like the first door open and I don't have there countered in front of me or anything that was close and Soriano I -- I tickets tops that that made those are. -- cards -- are actually premier additional that you sent our yes and in general television rock geek aren't certain where. I don't even know who all the other players America I don't have a front of me. First or second year would be Kelly Steve young and Reggie White. Yeah -- There -- some other player although that was. Pretty good too and yeah I'm just curious -- Not over matters in obviously Jim Kelly -- around. -- -- appealed made surrogate is charged dying to know or -- -- original in about what all these other. That is sort try to from every player in the league -- we only -- what torturing years. Yet there are two USFL sets I know these pretty well. There Arturo I got out okay -- they are nice to -- solemn amino. That they're nice to have to not get them signed my advice would be that the cards are fine on their own. If you want Jim Kelly's autograph. Go for that another way. You know Kelly Reggie whites rookie Steve young's rookie young's is even bigger than the other two. Those are the biggest cards in there there's a Flutie card and maybe the second year. -- dubbed the closer they are too. On opened. In those cases the better they didn't sell those in packs only in those very small factory sets. Right. So while yeah well I I opened them obviously because I look at retired. The botched or as like that at the -- stricken land right stagger it. Only due to -- it says the price tag. 84. Oh yeah yeah. While I was eleven dollars and. Yeah that sounds about right it's Euro -- Euro over a hundred now I would think. Yeah for threats that it's nice those are those are. Desirable. Well there commitment I'll stop -- station and they were shall we go like that it's like little talk me out of they make some real economic art collector that I don't know why it was so well. -- always back them up those were really. Really. I'll. You know and I just -- today that those have been eight. Well they they are and I I think you've got a good item their thank you Fred. To me it metallic and choked up at seven the thing. Yet 8485. USFL. Pretty good to have so hold on to those and as far as autographs ago. It -- -- grass if you if you if you like autographs and you wanna try for them on a ball. On the Jersey for the higher end on a piece of Paper but. A nice cards and stay away you can get a month common cards guys later on their career. I think that's that's better than the rookie card rookie card has value on its own specially if it's in good shape and most of those USFL cards are. Because they boarded acts there weren't exposed to bomber wax they're just. In that box that can be perfectly centered. Every time but. Condition is usually not too much a problem with those good question it's a it's a nice item you have there. 8030550. Is the number would love some more -- questions from listeners -- got some more topics to bring up his. That's John Clayton talking about Andre reed of course his candidacy. For the hall of fame that announcement comes later today. I'm Mike show welcome back to the hobby you live here on. Saturday mornings every week from eight to nine cards collectibles. Mostly sports -- get the occasional. Question. Either -- A non sports item or someone asking will you ever talk about non sports items on the show. Generally. The way it has worked out all the non sports stuff that I talk about is during the week. But I'm certainly not close to it. I was corresponding with someone this week who told me he had Beatles cards from the sixties and those can be good so. Once in awhile will do we do a feature a segment an interview on that kind of stuff. One sport I admit I have just on a bad job of talking about focusing on -- frankly simply because it just doesn't interest me. As a collector is NASCAR but there's tremendous. Interest in NASCAR stuff. It's some cards but it's die casts trucks and different things. And if you're NASCAR fan collecting is it's definitely an option you have for a hobby united need to remember that. In advance of one of these shows like which is somebody who knows more than I do witches. This was suing somebody knows anything. To the phones Tommy is next on WGR hi Tommy. Yeah I don't like. What a funny thing that this. Trade between the Yankees in the Mariners of Michael Kenyatta and cases Montero then there's more -- signed rookie -- I'll just sit back and listen we have this thing. -- up any data. I think. Being yankees better than being a mariner. Four for collectors by. Good is good grade is great. Felix Hernandez does just fine in the hobby he's not cheap if you were Yankee he would be more popular. You know among fans and collectors that's that's the common sense bottom line about it. If you have Montero. And -- Yankee fan. He gets traded that's a bomber. Mean if you have him as a collector I mean like rookie cards whatever autographs. That's kind of a disappointment. But. It doesn't have to disappear. Or any thing on the on the radar. -- be mostly about how good ideas but yeah. We -- the profile you keep. Based on the team you play for is so important it's definitely relevant. So why am I giving that common sense supplies. You know I am also inclined to sort of thinking out loud here. I wonder pitchers -- position players that really I guess it really never thought about. There are being a difference in in interest. Pitchers vs position players but may be their spot I think as far as a Yankee -- a mariner what common sense be your guide. By the way speaking it is just I was thinking about that remembered. At this auction that I was watching and even bidding on a few times that ended Thursday night. If you heard the show last week or maybe even the week before. I've been sort of on an auction -- not not so much baiting or buying until the other night. But just following them. And on this last auction that I was watching Huggins and Scott is the website. There there seemed to be an inordinate number of tickets ticket stubs. Autographs. From. No hitter pitcher's perfect team pitchers. 3000 hit club. Sort of compilation. -- pieces. From. Baseball milestones. And getting to it one item listed was a pair of ticket stubs. From a perfect game to game between the angels in the Rangers were Mike win. Threw a perfect game and I think 1984. On the last game of the season in taxes. To Stubbs. According to the listing they were creased. Just been in worse shape if there were listed as good which is just barely above four and a scale of one to attend like around two or three. And they went for something like 2500. Box. Two ticket stubs from the last regular season team. Texas Rangers 1984. 2500 bucks because Mike -- threw a perfect game the crowd was around 8000. I was wondering. Wouldn't they are banned a lot of other tickets printed. For that game and then what disposed of was 1984. Still before. People fought to hang on to that stuff. Or. Perhaps instead is there a box of tickets from that team sitting somewhere in an office in Arlington Texas. Anybody who might. Know. Anything about that is encouraged to call him enlighten me. That was my thought on it but. It's -- that price. You know for it to be that price. People were spending that kind of money or not naive. They know it's tough ticket and and also in that condition. So again common sense I think but not everybody is. You know all of this kind of mindset when you're going to sports -- when you're following sports. If you go to a game. And something unusual happens. Doesn't even have to be. Greatness can just be so can be bizarre. If you into the fight where fan man. Dropped out of the sky and a parachute. That's remembered for that -- to the plate or Mike Tyson bit Holyfield's a year it's famous for that if you go to something that. Will be remembered. Then your ticket is worth something if you went to. See Roy held a pitch in the playoffs and he threw a no hitter. That's worth some you go to if you went to the Oilers Blackhawks game the other night. And saw Sam Gagne racked up eight points in that game. Hold on to your ticket. So anyway that ticket from the perfect game in Texas holy cow. When he 500 bucks for a -- those and their roughed up. That's awesome. Here is my. Quick story from from Thursday night. And and bidding on those on on a -- auction organs and Scott. As I've mentioned in the last couple weeks that friends who have done auctions before and it's just. My attitude is always that I spend enough money at us like I. I didn't need another avenue. For spending money so bottom. I avoided auctions partly just because I was afraid I'd get caught up in them that I heard that. At the end I mentioned this last week I think so sorry for the the repetition if I did but. An auction ends at 10 o'clock that doesn't mean it shuts down as -- like eBay were 10 o'clock means that that. Anybody who's been bidding on things can keep bidding until the bidding stops. So once you're in on an item. You're you're not gonna be frozen out you'll have half an hour and organs and Scott example eleven half an hour. From whatever the last bid was placed to. -- that that bit. So one you know I'm I'm intrigued by that I watched a couple of these auctions were my friends were bidding. And I mentioned it before it was just it was exciting to me to watch the bidding take place and the one Robert Edwards auction didn't end until 6:17 in the morning after. At the 10 o'clock deadline so -- all night. And that's my my attitude with limited experience that's my attitude is I go into Huggins and Scott I decide on the -- a little bit at a couple things couple things I'd like here. Knowing assuming that LB outbid. So -- bid on some graded. 1949. Allman cards Satchel Paige and a few guys -- a bit -- some on open whacks. You're just. All I wanted was to be able to watch the bidding after my bids. And you have to have bid on it to be done that that's how they get you. So that's what I'm doing no expectations of winning no real. Interest in winning. Did you see -- this is can you see where this is going so. 10 o'clock Thursday night at 11 o'clock 11 o'clock with organs and Scott is when -- half an -- thing starts in in their auctions case. The poll auction doesn't play out until the last -- each item can end as soon as half an hour goes by without a bit. So I've got my iPad. And I'm following the Bowman's and I'm following the wax and thinking. I'm not actually going to win these right somebody's gonna come in and and beat me on the so -- won't be out this kind of money. 11 o'clock it's 1110 and I can't believe it but I'm tired. A -- excited about this I'm also nervous. Because I never thought I'd actually be buying anything. And there's like -- that 40%. Buyer's premium the have to pay on top of your winning bid so I'm tired I can't believe but it can keep my eyes open. Shut it down a wake up at four and what's my first thought is it's still going. It's all over and no one bid on anything of mine I want all of it. And I've had this very exciting. Effort to my wife and I have undertaken lately the year of savings. And a slowdown on buying opportunities. Maybe sell more stuff -- certainly made that effort. This is the year of savings were killing off debt. I wake up on. What Thursday or Friday morning wake up on Thursday morning. No Friday morning yesterday. And I am committed to. I mean like real money. A down payment on a house almost like a real money. And oh my god just blew my mind I didn't expect to win any of the stuff they really didn't want to. One thing I wanted to win -- an 86 Mets ball that I thought which is gorgeous and that team I should have a Mets ball that was my team. -- that happened. Make a few token bids you can follow -- -- along at an auction look out you might just end up on top be prepared for that possibility. Anybody have a story like that 8030550. Is the number lines open here on the hobby I might show opened this is WGR. John -- on tonight's sabres islanders game. They are classics and these teams play the sabres would do well to beat the islanders at some point. They lost three out of four of them last year in there -- into against them. This year I guess in hockey they would say that's one. Four and one. As one of those games was in overtime the 76. Loss here last year at least one. So tonight 7 o'clock sabres islanders pre game at six. This is the hobby I might show here on WGR get about six minutes Matthew wants me out of here at exactly 855. Because then it at 9 o'clock it's some -- about suitable. Sell a -- you will be here at eleven. And he'll be talking about tomorrow's game as well I'm sure also about Andre -- in the hall of fame. That announcement that vote is coming up later today or even tonight. Here is bill on WG RI bill. I'm like what's up. A I heard you talking about that buyer's remorse. Hitting it if it's like on eBay that -- I think where you could win. And not be happy. I write they read -- article what planet are negative and congratulated. All the -- -- -- world think this item is worth this much. Congratulations. But it's still like. It is fun and I just I did get caught up and I think they'll do all right with what I bought but it was just a staggering amount. You know. That bigger dagger a spotlight on public doesn't work well on. I'm looking for. War memorial stadium seats. And I'm at a dual like little natural Green and I need a bleacher just what may be one -- true. -- they prevalent have you heard of anybody selling them. I have not really but I would imagine that they're out there I know people who. Just to a lot of business in buffalo sports memorabilia and I'm guessing they would have them but. Off the top of my head by instinct is that these are pretty tough. Compared say with the ought ought seats seem to be everywhere. Yeah yeah yeah -- you know bill what will happen I'd like to think is someone will hear this conversation and get in touch with me. So one you might wanna just email me real quick in case that happens in the -- put -- talks with someone who might write them. -- some -- up to that like. Okay thank you bill. I just I don't know five -- -- and I've seen him seats from the rock while the dog though. The -- as the new Bob Feller autograph of the odd odd seats -- the Bob Feller autograph of local collecting. They said they say of Feller who recently died they say if you don't have a Bob Feller autograph you you don't like progress mean he signed for amber. Just profusely every just all the time Bob Feller. Teams like every auction I go to her odd seats. What are people just don't keep him -- -- -- by him -- put him in the basement and they think what women are right. Not going to sit in the news there okay. I'm sure people so people really love them. I think the gold ones would be cool once. It's the blue ones that got sold. So often. So mortgages are out there gold would be great. Hires Adam on WGR -- Adam. A more direct. Quickly just -- he's six net economic you know I was a kid watching that I -- -- in New York City and 87 years ago and and that's about it had. Based but below that sort of muddled here that I stole. Go looking for that everybody that on line which -- -- -- at about how -- Not quite by surprise that I would at a collegiate game and stroke last year and I would make your money to try and how terrible to record it onto memorabilia at every -- And they have archer and he's got a ninety trinity street who aren't pretty -- being hurt here. And you know those stars -- your article you'd get where you can yourself that you must. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- He was thrilled myself -- -- until I got home and had a conversation with large. And -- Monday morning actually tried to call them up to journalists and I don't -- some -- to do. It's like to law governorship and you do when you're collectors. Didn't that you know it all mean so much you can -- kind of going back to some sort of cultural. And when you talked about a year savings with the way -- had to really put I collect concert posters. And I've had to get to the point where. All download a picture of on the computer all look at it all imagine I don't -- and that's gonna have to be good enough. Because of who you know like the ultimate coaches at all by the W the -- is the cheapest price you don't afraid to look for you know hundred barker argued in her book. So I -- support Michael Jordan going to be buying another poster. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Like I lusted after -- and I know my real credit card and -- -- -- myself and I don't buy that but I don't look at the pitcher instead of merit. It really had actually been OK you're gonna put the work. That's great a great job thank you Adam I'm thinking of a scene in glengarry Glen Ross the guy in glengarry Glen Ross who. Jonathan -- because the actors -- commit to buying all that land from pitching pitching you know. And then has to walk in their the next day like I was drunk my wife won't let me do this and just the the struggle ensues. Mike I've got about thirty seconds and sort of more can you -- a point real quick. -- of -- -- -- with mr. Woolsey. I guess what mr. Olmert re edited after I. He had -- All work holds world champion. -- -- -- And of course the eight dude -- the air and I sure -- -- -- today -- -- You humorous of all we can you bring your outlook edit these diaries are jobs added that. We discriminate about it they're so cute story here as a rule weaker. Obviously got a great story with -- -- that sounds like a great item. So for -- so cool Mike I'm sort of more time I'd love to hear more about it. But matches got me in a tight schedule today that sounds like that could be really a really rare item. I might show thanks for listening to the hobby on WGR.