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12/09 Fred Jackson on WGR

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    It's not always I mean she you know. Ringing them up to the line the game Manuel they've driven a grand total of zero that is that the ball down the five yard line. Okay you're dealt back row and then they want didn't fall down comes back up and they make one hand gets. And I guess that production. what what what I thought I thought I'd. The yet nobody regarded but when he got in September. WGR. Sports Radio fifteen year. I'll the seen around the world. Most famous. Training camp practice catch ever. I think we got to play by play guy I didn't realize we had to play by play by play it it shows you the value video I think the best training camp catch I ever saw was c.'s To the near side fade pattern tapping his feet in bounds and then being propelled into offense that he leaked over. I was like I'm impressed you actually remember I'll I thought he's gonna hit the fence he didn't. Could treat him catch us. That training camp catches all over the Internet. In sports that are last night our bodies out patches now famous. Rifleman Twitter it was before he's now famous that catch was all over the place as I mean I'm going last night trying to find stories we showed they get caught up all the stuff and every. Place you go every nfl.com. Yahoo! Sports that are. It's the Sammy Watkins one handed catch in training camp itself caught yesterday and we talked about it on the show because he tweeted it out over on the air at saint John Fisher. Which got me thinking about lock in thing got me really excited about Sammy Watkins. And wondering. Like you know if there's a few weeks ago please don't interrupt and say Howard not LeBron I know is not abroad but a few weeks ago LeBron and I thought. You know brown. I know that they got LeBron in the got Gonzales thought it's going to be fun to at Cleveland sports and right now they must be feeling great they'd suffered two teams lose. lab but right now. They must be so stoked for their football and basketball season's. last night. with the sabres got me thinking about. Are we coming along do we have but Watkins to meet Jeremy how excited should be about Sammy Watkins I know he's not LeBron I'm not making that analogy. But how many times do we sit here and talk about we've got guys that so exciting the lots of people around the country gonna say look at that guy. Locked in in buffalo it was a little bit like that in 2012 was beginning to get national. Recognition around the league about how exciting this CJ Spiller is this season. I'm excited should I start to get about Sammy Watkins the CRR guy. Like that excited like all man we have a guy that other people are gonna waste they have. Hope so. Doug Whaley about her hopes on I beat I can't wait to see him star player. Yeah I need. Don't want him get in trouble. mean it was a nice one handed catch in training camp we watched JJ watney one overall idea impressed everybody through the first. However many days four days of training camp god he's good. Good. we need that got a no meat we needed that nobody else says Mitt you got lucky we'll have that guy and your telling me that got to play cornerback yeah black guys not court. So you do what you can I need that as we watch the quarterback yesterday and he's clearly not that guy I think they've had plenty of really good players the last couple years just haven't had anybody who's even close to really good equipment and you know so we can distract ourselves with you know. it is it is it reasonable to expect that he can be good enough to make the quarterback. I don't well. That that's conversation that we had when he was drafted it was the conversation leading up to the draft wide receivers making the quarterback is an idea. just don't know how often it actually comes to fruition I think he can. Help the quarterback a obviously. Can make him I don't think you can go that far I think the quarterback makes the quarterback the can help quarterback the running game helped quarterback the receivers get up quarterback. Well but I think the quarterback ultimately. Has to make throws himself make plays and has to make the position who threw the one that Watkins caught one handed. It's a good question have no idea all the catch I don't remember I don't remember if it was even mention and I thought his best catch of the day was through. In traffic. And a jump ball in the end zone is really impressive catch. And watching it there with John walk all the Associated Press he pointed out which is something you do have to camps and we got even and AJ throw right AJ this one was a jump ball the end zone that Watkins went up and high point in her government and John pointed out is that you know it was gonna play. Because we watch and watch confront right now we want to in the court that's something you can forget. Because they don't sack the quarterback they allow the rose to be made up so they'll you know. How come he has caught every possible ball well because every time the quarterback dropped back the lighting in pro. So you do you have do in those instances note all right let's. Pick a It is not quite Dwight Clark in the back the end attached to the business debt that was a little more significant. I'm look at just I just I'm looking for something to make me excited that's all same thing with the sabres you know. I don't know how good the sabres are going to be probably not very right hearts here right playing well and Wright I just need something to get excited that there are. Foundation players here and it's not the quarterback right now well if you're asking that question it's entirely different. I believe fundamentally what the sabres are doing if you're comparing the plans of the bills and the sabres I think the sabres plan makes a lot more cents. The bill's going all in on a guy ain't giving up assets to get him and hope that it works quick I don't well I don't dislike it. I'm not nearly as confident. That in large part because of you know we quarterback. Not to say that East Coast I don't believe that at all. But on the confidence rating but what if you put 0100. How confident are you the sabres plan will lead to willow and much better how confident are you the bills finally to a winning team but the sabres I'm any 100. And bills and at fifty like act coin toss and I'm not so I'm not sure about the bills. Well because the quarterback. That the problem at that and that's and that's in part why I wanna see I think watch games will be good enough that. No matter who the quarterback he'll still be able to make plays the question is how good can the quarterback we'd be with Sammy Watkins. I think he'll make I think is that talented a football player. But it isn't you don't think you can win with just Sammy Watkins on your offense. I don't know Jeremy I just I need to be excited about something I'm not excited about the quarterback. It's little snippets that training camp and we talked about this yesterday even if you let it up I wouldn't be excited but if he struggles and looks bad. I'm gonna start getting extremely nervous you don't look. we you know we didn't see we missed most of practice sensitive okay we're on the air from till 10 o'clock practice and at around 1030. Ish maybe a little bit after that. So we saw the tail end of practice. We saw some red zone drills and you Bringing up the point or somebody it on the sideline the the number one offense was struggling they kept moving closer to the goal line and they still couldn't score. We figured next on the gonna start the ball the one yard line but he didn't look at. She struggled to find open receivers he missed his targets. He seemed to make one reed and leave the pocket and do the spin move and run out. the enemy really. Black was but would you know what I saw from yesterday so I need something to make me feel better about the bills it's Watkins because the quarterback isn't doing. And for every time you hear you further Watkins looks good you've heard the manual does not as anyone say looks good yet four days and had a positive report on manual no. irony. And what I've seen. As not composite. It's been. Looks like a rookie. Yes right if you he's in his first camp yet right and he's just not making the decisions. And not playing the way a guy who'd been in the NFL for a year and is back with the same coordinator and back in the same offense but all of the stuff we talk about. He doesn't look like that guy it should be more fluid. There should be more success on the field he should be completing more passes he just. Just you know the get we saw he didn't. And you can't have it both ways where you wanna hear that Watkins was great tell me about log ins he's great he's great and then went. You hear that Manuel has not been great to a couple of practices he'll be fine. Most practiced doesn't matter that it doesn't matter what concede yet to decide. Does what happens matter if it does and good news semi and looks like he's the real deal in Asia manual mode on the bad news side. Has not impressed. Well that he I I just tick back on a web poll yesterday this will not go over well with the 73% of the people who voted. We we said is do rigid manuals performances training camp matter at all. Yes if he's going to be better in year it starts now 73% voted yes I think that's right and and it then you're not going to be happy with what's going on training yeah I think I think his performances and training camp do matter. Everybody else and there are people playing for jobs he's not playing for a job Jeff tools performance matters because That Lewis or race for the backup quarterback position. And I'm finding it more and more interesting about that tool vs Louis race the bills. Doug Whaley Doug and whatever and they were like tool. The fact that they kept him on the roster last year you know we kept asking like is the big deal. Why he protecting Jeff tool from the practice squad who cares about this guy woody is get scooped up. He's on the team again and now. He's challenging if not in front. But the back at quarterback position so of other players their jobs matter and what they do at camp matters. Than manual those two. I think it's true everyone well. Back to what I said yesterday for me maybe it's unfair but for me it only matters stinks. I mean he should look. He shot looks I wouldn't I wouldn't sit here and tell you every day coming around. K this is it it's a breakthrough moment that I wouldn't he shot. He sure that he does right now and training camp because she's familiar with the office. So for me it matters from a negative standpoint but it wouldn't sway me much positive standpoint and you know will talk to Joseph about how he looks we'll talk to other members of the media because in August you were missing parts of practice because we're on the air. But annual practice yesterday and you watch him in and just got to shake ago. Let's do. It on and Watkins can. Make it quarterback look better because it's EJ's in trouble and he's just trying to throw like that is again he would But the touchdown pass was thrown at the end zone. And make a play and that's exactly what he did. But at some point you need to quarterback to keep making plays and he just doesn't look like again and I try not to get too carried away with manual like you said you can have it both ways of Is getting rave reviews at training camp is his work ethic it's catching his ability as route running his hands. His maturity all these everybody across the board everybody's raving about Sammy Watkins then. Yeah it's not good about quarter. them number one reason you'd like to see growth from Manuel this year. Is. Is it weird a look at the same way a look at the sabres the sabres what they do this year. Is borderline odds are all want to be terrible. The bills. I want them to not be terrible. Because of that draft pick the only reason I want them to not be really if they were if they have their first front And it flamed out I would think whatever draft quarterback right let's. Roll the dice again. Is that why feel more pressure about this season like that. The loss that I should the loss the spending. Of next year's number one pick already. That is such a it's it's game changer. This year feels like. Boy you better you better get to eight so I don't feel the pain of that and I can justify. You're going in the right direction at some pieces. DJ improved get a a year three and we'll see if he's ready to take the next step. Not just passed like mediocre young quarterback but into a and this guy can be your starter for like 56 years given a shot. I wanna get past Ryan Fitzpatrick and right now he's got to pull even with him first. You know fits drove us knots. But we knew who hate. You can play the complaint to liberate our teammates and place he was never good enough to. We twelve games and he probably won't be but Fitzpatrick. That the standard is is pretty low for bills quarterback I just on the pull even with fits if you can do that this year. I think the team can be competitive. The coach seems competent right the offensive coordinator in the defensive coordinators these seem like they have a better coaching staff. On defense they've got talent Peter King says it's more the they've had fourteen years which I don't agree with but the point is that there are pieces in place. And now we just need Ryan Fitzpatrick. Or a little better and we want McCormick to get even with Fitzpatrick. And it seems like work right now. I think there's a layer of issues here to get to it which is you know what you bring up your point of why you wanted to do well there few different things. But I think you can bring up one and the most important thing is we're tired of waiting for quarterback I mean it's just been it's too frequent longer. You're just you're so tired wondering if this is the guy. You know and don't have to go through the whole list but you know that you got excited for us about rob Johnson and got. You know and He beat Houston this is really. And then see an end Trent Edwards beat San Diego. I think we got our our. I'm not we're all tired of thinking we got our guy and then it's Patrick comes in what do they they beat in the end the streak and look everything is. We just wanna get a quarterback retired of one of of not having a quarterback and if it's not right back where we've always been around here wondering who the heck is going to be the quarterback of the Buffalo Bills and going back to watching the draft and later another layer of that is right you don't pick next year. The other thing is. It's almost like. In Egypt look better now or to succeed because if he can't do it now. He doesn't need third year I I would give the third year particularly now inoculated in another year. What what's wrong with this scenario there's nothing there right. What continuity in the coaching staff okay. Talent around him look at it around him. Today it's good but it's good enough for EJ Manuel to succeed. I think as a quarterback in the National Football League east you know there are everything has been set up. For him to make a jump at whatever level in year number two if he doesn't it these days the favorite he gets worse. He's just pocket it forget it it's done it's over there is no you don't need a year three to say you know what Maybe bettering your three qualities not better now I don't get two year three with him and then I'm right back to square one finding a quarterback again so. I need him to play well because I'm tired of looking for a quarterback. And for those that think. He needs you know if he doesn't look good now he's not going to get battering Europe. I wouldn't say I am tired of looking for a quarterback I am tired of looking at quarterbacks that are good and pretending that they are are hoping that they are. So there's a spot between. Franchise quarterback they are set and give me your number three well and I okay and I'm also I'm jealous envious I'm envious of seeing other teams find their guys after routes you know waiting to try and find their guy and You know. Seattle has Russell Wilson are well India's forget Indian it locked in the Cisco's got cannot other teams find their guys Cincinnati doesn't have a franchise guy but they made the playoffs three years with Andy Dalton. Other teams get into the playoffs other teams have found guys quarterbacking fear fear we don't the tired other do it. And wondering why it can't happen here. The highlight of all these quarterbacks has been. Either Drew Bledsoe in the run tonight at seven or Ryan Fitzpatrick and whatever they were 415. And one 11. I think Edwards was 4151. At some point you in there's time we thought Fitz Patrick. Was not the biggest problem they had to beat new England and they beat the Eagles and they beat the raiders right they were put up thirty plus points a game we're like well. You know he's not Jim Kelly we know that. What he puts up points they win it'll go. So what what has to happen for a year three happen. Because. It's almost like I'm not thinking about. The playoffs. Pushing for a playoff spot or winning in the playoffs and thinking about one thing and that's that first round pick. Thinking about the first round pick and what Manuel can do. Because I pretty much put it all on him right Watkins. For their four days of training camp. Has many fans quite comparable betrayed because now it's like Watkins is good so the trade worked doubles look at lock and say it doesn't matter who whether it's EJ Manuel or Jeff tool or Thad Lewis walking to make place. That he'll be good enough to make plays regardless of the quarterback. But there's only so much you can do in terms of making that elevate that quarterback to a higher level but make catches throw the ball there and I doubt it make catch and if you just kind of look at it like you would look at Dennis Dixon Joseph and the fourth quarterback. The bills on Watkins and Manuel spent 31 round picks were spent on Watkins Juan Manuel he could flip it. It would be no different at the same amount of picks and currency spent he spent 31 round picks on those two. And in theory get a franchise quarterback and a top five wide receiver in the late yet. So the question becomes when when thinking about. That because I got in this yesterday with a guy Twitter during the showing her a chance to bring it up. I've been saying this for awhile that lot in straight shouldn't be evaluated on Sammy Watkins has evaluated on wins and losses and he could make ten patrol holes. To be the best receiver in the league and if they don't make the playoffs. Wouldn't you go back and undo it but that's not on him necessary no of course not only he can only do so much as a wide receiver Elvis on the GM. It's on the GM its on the court I said it's not a quarterback yes that's on the GM more than anybody. If you draft wide receiver who makes ten Robles is the best in the league but you don't make the playoffs a single year OK are your GM has made the wrong pick. For the wrong thanks write his name is in good enough you've got a great receiver but obvious you don't have a good football right. Doug Doug Whaley was hired to get a great receiver who started this team in the playoffs and wins. But if Watkins made the Pro Bowl this year well. Yeah if let's say walk ins with the Pro Bowl this year somehow that and make the playoffs. You feel pretty good about it. I'd if you take would have been able to do something right he makes the trouble with his we'd be talking and over a thousand yards right big you know whatever seven catches receivers 15100 yards receiving EJ would have had or whoever the quarter they would have done something right at quarterback made the probable. If the quarterback beget or even close to a good. So how much do you think what you can do it how much do you think he can do in terms of to help manual that we're having this discussion is the is the that that were having this discussion shows you how frustrating this is. That. Were were now begging Sammy Watkins to be so good. At and and is now with the bills are yes and I I was I was gonna stop myself and say that was part of the draft process we're trying to get. We're sitting here talking about do whatever you can to help the quarterback to get better weapons but Jeremy. I guess at some point I just I need to see it from the quarterback himself. And I I'm not sure. Can mask it and you AJ win can this team win the PGA is average to below average but they just have better weapons around. might not be a really good quarterback but it's but it's disguised because he's got so many weapons around him. He can be thrown up docs and prayers and maybe not making great decisions but they're bailing him out based. He can't be below average and one yesterday at least average. In the rank in cornerback rankings one through 32. He's coming in by. Everyone who would rank court next in the late twenties and they're out of five that's what I mean it can't win there. You've got to be. Sixteen worst seventeen at worst so that's the question that can Sammy Watkins take EJ Manuel from 27 to sixteen. Or ultimately no matter who is around him it's still come down to Manuel tried have to improve on he's got to be a better quarterback himself working to get away with it. That's the whole point in any walk to make EJ Manuel ten spots better I don't. And he comes at a Manuel elected and Watkins will be there is a part of it but. And Mike Williams is a part of it and Goodwin and woods and the running backs and all that is a part of it. Maybe they get him up five spots but ultimately he's got to get better he's got to make the right decisions and make himself better quarterback. In the game that and that's the distressing this circles back to the discussion we're having a few minutes. That's the distressing part of EJ struggling at the beginning of camp because my whole off season was based on. Okay there were some good things there were some bad things last year it's an incomplete he didn't play a full season but you know what if you get better guys around him. That will help EJ development. So go get Sammy Watkins. Trade for Bryce Brown. Bring in Mike Williams I was never dragging down the football team but whatever he's gone. Which you bring in other weapons and I thought great that's exactly they did exactly what in my opinion their offseason should have been all about. Drafted offensive tackle. Sign left guard who's better than what you had they did exactly what one of them to do make the team around the quarterback better. First we training camp just not seeing from the quarterback that's distressing part of all that stuff. There's there's nothing I would say I I can't pick up anything I thought the bills didn't do. To try and make they've they brought in a quarterback coach they did everything I think on paper you could possibly do. To help EJ Manuel and your number two and in the first week of training camp he doesn't look any better. Pointed out that Calvin Johnson was on and sixteen team via text that's right his rookie year they were all in six know me second your own six. And since then on sixteen to 146 and 101. Playoff parents four and 127 and nine. Like at the lions spent a successful team in the last since getting Calvin Johnson of alliance's success story. There when the playoffs once one time and they lost that game yes and well. And I don't know that they on do Calvin Johnson he's a superstar right he's maybe the best receiver ever. When you look at note I come how much he puts up. He puts up more yards per game than anyone that's ever played but the game is a little bit more skewed the wide receivers and of course he's a freak show. So. What some very excited to watch very excited yet the fact it. Manuel continues to get poor reviews from camp. four days they have today off it won't mean it really won't get until we get to like game three of the pre season he looks like you struck. Through the first two. Right through the first two games yes. 8030515. To join us this morning 888550. To 550 drop when you can Shimon. Share your thoughts if you bid up to camp and watch in camp and practices would love to hear from you and see what you thought of EJ Manuel and him and Sammy Watkins everything else decided training camp coming up today. Or guy you'll be joining us. Joseph of course was not a camp yesterday can read his date for notes at WGR 550 dot com if you if you did not see the Sammy catch. Sells fine sells video of it is at our website as well. Albert will join us at 730 from NFL network he was the bills camp earlier this week will be chat with him about that. And UB football coach Jeff Quinn will join us media days this week in Detroit. Training camp about start for the bulls and their football season we'll talk to Jeff at 838030550. For you on WG. That one drink get back to even double at least that you know he joked that say where we have Andre and you're you're you're gonna know all they the This right now you know you have. That's joking of course but other things that they've well he has usually in culture they're a lot more guarded. When it comes to put a lot of pressure on and and I think they'll work that way. Maybe right after that perhaps in the spring what and they and they move along here in and there are one over about a kid. Yeah they're they're starting their. Last week a little more of them in and and and talk a little more honestly about their expectations. That's Mike Jerry Falwell. Foxsports.com. He was that the strength of early this week Gonzales yesterday here on WGR it's an on demand audio if you wanna check it out coming up later today Albert breeder who was also in. Pittsburgh this week He from NFL network will be joining us at 7:30 this morning as we get more of a national perspective on EJ Manuel. And Sammy Watkins and the bills and lock and continues to be the big story. Amongst the national media Jarrett bell is in town for USA today he'll be tomorrow. Of course she you know. Cell count on Iran Jaworski were in town. Among them nationally that are coming through their pretty much writing their stories about Sammy Watkins now it looks training camp. We're wondering how much can he actually help EJ Manuel. Or is it ultimately Manuel has to get himself better is only so much the guys around him can do has not look good to the first four days of training no question about that. 8030515. Join us. 88550. To 550 Rick in Rochester Iran WG yarder right ahead. Break open BioWare I agree roots. Pretty much everything guys that. All one finger I'm looking more and I saw one guy Izturis they're all I'm looking for Arum. To be consistent and not consistently crappy. consistently. That we're not talking about errant throws not talking about their treatment and receivers you have Austin and after a part time. Or consider who you are a consistent reliable. Where the weapons you all around you. Being consistently. In a positive way who's gonna win some football games and shall grow our. You I'm not gonna category are ordered to a lot of times. Offenses don't keep collecting them and these camps in all week week and apps and after the second preceding in this you're still saying and you guys in the more air talking about. Are all three weeks from now what you're talking about the past couple days. Then what got a problem. And that unfortunately your order or stroke that will comment Larry because. All you almost result or DJ are giving up their first trial. And I love Sammy. But almost shut the organization possibly earlier forsee him going through the process. And and first welcome back. Yeah well depends again you can win with a quarterback beyond the first round you know roaming cap predict around round two adult was round two Wilson was what round three. to and other guys falls was not a first round picks I mean it you know you can win without don't have that just a first round pick. Is it. All yeah sure I'm not I'd much prefer having the first round pick. But I I don't have buyer's remorse I you know also likely going to be a tremendous football player whether it's. With EJ Manuel at quarterback gore if you doesn't work out the next Jack quarterback I think it's going to be a tremendous football player here. Yes and that's what that looked thanks they're trying to make themselves better football team. And and have better talent from one to 53 I think are doing that and there they are getting better players The most important position on the field. Is quarterback in the bill still have. A big fat question quarterback because she is not looking anything different. And Egypt like Andy he's not looking were different then the agent and we and yesterday and small small part of practice and keep stressing that night we saw the last. When he 530 minutes. But there were again times where he just. You know he'd make one read and then leave the like he didn't stand in the and look long enough he did. You always bring up the spin move he he did one time where he's been made the read any spot out ran to his left and it's just. It's just he just it's a comfortable back there on the offense he just does he looked like a rookie quarterback. He does look good on its feet. For anyone wondering about you know the knee injuries that pop up it was new looks very good may be even better. It was moving around fine you know he Wren let's they read it read option once. You know when when passes weren't well when guys recovered he decided hold on and run you're moving fine. But it's the throwing part that's. That's troublesome if you want proof that the bills are better team football outsiders for ESPN insider. It's within the outsiders write for insider the bills' number two among teams. When it comes to talent under 25 years old. The rams number one the bills and number two under point five talent includes EJ Manuel. According client sandy lot and Robert Wood Stephon Gilmore mark he's good when Cyrus joke in. That's like they've got a good and that they don't mention Alonso on defense. What even though he's injured obviously he's considered part of the defense yet and Martha was in their two biggest guy on that list and I'm thinking about today is forty clan. If is it that he might be more important to watch been manual right now but when we are. At training camp and the ones out on the sideline by himself doing stuff I think. Along Phillies back onto his back because if they are without according they are in trouble real trouble Manuel is in a lot of trouble case like any quarterback. He's better when he has time. When he doesn't have time that's when he rolls out and cuts the field happened dropped the spin move and frozen out of bounds and protects the football when he has time. Ever quarterbacks and according Was great last year very good. He's their best you don't have to worry about he's analyze this and offensively their best he's very very good. And if he is out for any extended period of time that they will feel that. How many lost three wins is courting worked. I can't think in football might be better to figure and in points point is actual winds because there's just side all the editor there's two sides the so many variables. On if kittens sacks are drive killers sacks drive killers also. I remember correctly CJ Spiller was much more successful running to the left side and the right side. Last year and running behind according I think was much more successful than running the other way. It'll take away from every facet of the game with according line especially you don't have somebody reliable means they are playing. That seventh round pick in his place. I think that's huge drop off in terms points. I don't know how many points left tackles Werth who's relieved I mean. What's a quarterback what's right. And could you estimate that quarterback worth and if you bay quarterback is worth more than anybody by force fifty miles but if you don't have it but the left tackle looked at the play is that bad then it's affecting how good your quarterback is and if you're talking about. Usually do it above or replacement level player and a seventh round pick might be lower replace obviously it's John Kyle Henderson as the guy went right you're talking about going from a top ten player in the league to a below replacement level. That's got to be a good chunk appoint yet and but remember what Jeremy when you bring up Clinton remember the rest of what's going on on the line. Yes Williams is at left guard and he's OK but he's better than what we that was here last year we thank in the competition at right art is an wide open right tackle we don't know what's right so like with that there one position woods fund its an epidemic if there really. Like glad you like great don't have to worry about it. Boy and I was thinking that you know adding Williams and having him be so much above the worst. Ever Colin Braun and longer ski who's probably a replacement level player if Williams at least an average player. If he's the fifteenth best left guard that's a huge jump jumper and I was figuring could probably step in. And that would help every facet of the game give Vijay more time and especially in the screen game. Let last year the screen game was such a disappointment and I think part of it wasn't just the play design and maybe that was some element of it. But also he had no linemen who could get out and run. And get in front of CJ Spiller given blockers down the field as kind of expecting that recording a key if you will. 80305 shifted to join us 888550. Q but it is we talk more about bills training camp in studio today because the deals are off. If you're wondering about the practice schedule for the rest of the week. There are night practices 6 o'clock tomorrow night 6 o'clock against Saturday night you have to have a ticket to attend the practices all of the tickets have been distributed to both of those of the next. Free slash open to the public practice without a ticket is Sunday at two nights Sunday at two to be back out when you can have an out there and watch practice. At saint John Fisher 8030550. To join us 888552. Effective to voters on as far as the bills and training camp when hear from you this morning. Albert prayer Metafile network coming up at 730 at the national perspective on bills training camp was what he saw when he was out there that's coming up on W. I would wanna deal that things will happen. Is remarkably similar to what football coaches and owners said that until 1946 about players who looked like Tony Dungy. And it's remarkably similar to what set until 1989. About guys who wanted to become NFL head coaches who looked like Tony Dungy. And it's remarkably similar to what TV executives said at the 1966. About man who wanted to broadcast NFL games and coverage who looked like Tony country. But maybe just as relevant the micro. Tony Dungy just admitted that Tony Dungy wouldn't be a skilled enough coach. To do with the distraction of doing the right thing. It's Keith Olbermann and ESPN talking about Tony Dungy is comments about am. And not wanting to deal with the distraction from the standpoint of a head coach. Howard Jeremy Matthew DRW dropping just joining us 8030550. We were we started talking about Danny Watkins because. The one handed catch you made yesterday. The acres so much is all over the Internet. Gorge about lock ins and how much better can make manual. Which got us into the discussed because he does not look good how much can see anyone can do for EJ Manuel. Can he get them from bottom five to the middle of the pack quarterback. Or more on Manuel then Watkins to do that 8030550. Join us 888550 to 515 as we always say on the show were were were in studio today by the way. Not a training camp because the bulls are off today. Is us you wanna talk about as far as bills and training camp any other player roster battles whatever else is in your head these days with the Buffalo Bills. Beyond Sammy Watkins and the quarterback. You can join us industrial 550 year ADV 550 to 515 we'll talk everything training camp with you here and WG. Frustrated about camp. We say that Manuel does not look good. Or has not looked good. And it's boy you know. I and now we just watch him in need to look at Iowa you guys were not there at all time of a summit was that true we are not seen her practice that is very true. Well Joseph says he has no oil is Joseph know it's like. I don't know just that and every day it's like there's a large percentage of fans that wants to know the truth. And then they find out the truth they need to do everything the possible to explain that that's not true. We have some sort of negative agenda we're EJ. I think we have it's fair to the quarterback is anybody have already cast in the season art gallery got a cute parity cashed in the season. not cash usually usually just be like distilled and he hasn't looked good a propaganda machine this is how Mike Scotty looks core rates and now. I know he should look better excellent right now on the say this until it changes. I'm waiting for a day where gel or worm we're there. Aware anybody that's gonna talk about whether we talked to. Albert prayers coming up at 730 is he was here the other day or we're talking to John Wall or anybody. When making like many agree that hasn't happened yet it's only four days doesn't mean it won't happen And don't ask for the truth and then when you get it be mad about it. They got a long way to go they do in the early coaches that and it's early and nobody has cashed in the season but it's our job exactly what's going on in. One of the stories of training camps that manuals panel. Not that great to good thing they got the extra pre season game in the election time and training camp they needed. Watkins has looked great no matter who's thrown on the football. But Manuel has not looked that good 8030515. Jarvis Mike in Emanuel look better and games and he did in training camp hoping for the same this year. Depends which games. Would be as gonna say. Jerry did not look good in camp he really didn't look that good in the pre season either he had moments. In the game and it looked that good until that drive right before halftime. So that was the issue with a manual to hit stretches I mean you come out. Scrimmage his pre season games whatever come out slow and then eventually put a driver two together but. Yeah he didn't look that much. I mean in as he was his body this is anything to explain attacks from a guy who played two quarterbacks who were bad in practice and when the on the game there were Obama ever agree. Fantastic you played with two quarterbacks. It's and if the quarterback conversation sometimes gets so frustrating. We elect pore over stats. Well he only had eleven touchdowns and nine picks if you're pro about the sixteen game shall find the 34% of quarterbacks have numbers just like that and go on a whole fame careers like. Okay. Where we work so hard to try and make him better than he is. Accused of being negative he's not true well liked. Personally you know what I wanna believe he's who would who would dilute believe he's got of course I'm gonna try and find anything in my mind to convince me that he's gotten yet. the grammar not than I've seen so far that convinces me. He should look at and what he's doing right now at training camp. first went outside he should look better probably should look more comfortable I'll I'll I'll you know what I'll save my freak out like you said I'm just. I'm gonna freak out this this Now. It's. All right 830550. To join 888552. Terrific when we get back. Would you mind if I had a hockey story I can throw action. hockey news from Jason K which one that Tim Murray now beat tumors good job I saw this. Before go to the training camps going on the other and I promise it'll be. 22. work it and oh win cash contest time let's word this time around it is hole. EU LL cool so beginning at 7 o'clock which is a little over three minutes away you can text the word hole. 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Few lines open right now actually at 803055888550. To 550 -- -- -- how -- -- -- about the -- today. They're going nowhere yet again. Let me see how the rest of the season plays -- voted OGR 550 dot com we've talked a lot about EJ Manuel struggles the offense yesterday and how bad yesterday was all round. You can chime in as well and we'll get Fred Jackson thought the bills running back joining us right now no Eagles football Monday Fred it's Howard Jeremy good morning thanks for coming -- -- The -- you know that's I. Certainly disappointed. Thank everybody is locked room. Out almost -- -- -- yesterday you know is -- to have anybody. You know. That have anything good to say about us and we know that you know on that that that's not a problem that we have to. Or that we we are. Can be proud you know so plural gentlemen we gotta we gotta get better and we know that even. We we noted in this locker room you know gaga stepped up got to get better and play better than we did just that. How did trying to explain how a performance like yesterday occurs. I mean they're glorifying him you know we just looked completely you know like -- you know we look at. All that's the whole we didn't do anything well. You know there's there's not one thing we do well also we didn't pass the ball well we didn't protect -- -- well we didn't run the ball well it. An economy due dates which are digits and abet that situation room you know they they chipped in it could you know we gave. Tampa -- you know. Ample opportunities and our on our. All of our -- if -- and they did everything in -- to keep them out. No keep us from their -- You know any time you put some decent Tibet situation like that not talk about it. Do you think. That apparently is some of the guys -- about how wasn't a particularly good week of practice do you think you guys basically had to hang over from the Atlantic game couldn't shake that loss. I mean you know being a young team you know that's always a possibility. -- -- not think we displayed. Like practice you know and you know we can't play like not -- you know we will get that correct no art art. Part of a lot better in the team showed up and played on Sunday. And I you know compared to going to be tested you know written. -- -- if that's the type of performance you know we're gonna put on tape we won't be here next year -- open. No you know wrote the note coach Malone no they won't bout that wanna Whipple ought not out there. No bulletin -- we won't be back -- help. We've got to go out there and get that corrected and we'll see what. You know the hardest thing is the character and his team you know it's gonna come out in at the amount not to performance like that would bring that -- -- You so that you won't be a part of you know winning because no work -- had to know he's gonna evaluated in northern convert supporter. On that point Fred oh I'd love to get your perspective on this because you're one of the veterans you've been around here for quite some time. I've been saying that I I I honestly did feel different this season that I felt that if you could necessarily see you you couldn't see it in the record. But there was a feeling that you know you guys were headed in the right direction. There's no way. I can make the case after yesterday and after last week so here we are in December and another season is going down the tubes do you feel it's any different or does this feel like every other season you've had here. That's who built this game and last week in our -- -- Foreign art scene you know the last two weeks have been art you know on I'd -- take step back for anything because the net you know. So pollute like we did that we can -- and come out and impairs an -- It's something that we're not Prada but it has -- the -- there's been games. It all season long that we we've been hearing on competed in and everything. Like that. -- that we're we're trying to we're gonna get -- turnaround yet. So that means you know I can't ask people that -- of the performance we put out you know yesterday. But this sit at the same thing that no law I've been a part of bird you know this and by your column. They they're gonna change you know and everybody in this organization is working force change in -- that's gonna get it done and evaluate all of Almonte self imposed. And make sure working Tribune and didn't extinction you know. That's what it's gonna come out of you know got -- got to keep working you know we have to keep plugging away. Column you know we got redundancies and let him we've got so open offered old and or you know their -- might change them. Fred Jackson this year com. What when you have a game like yesterday Fred. Obviously the loss is disappointing but. The perception is prompts from people watching the game you talked about guys have to show up is that the team didn't show up. How discipline is is that. -- is -- well first off did you feel that way and if you did is that more disappointing than anything else it's one thing to get beat it's another to look around and say denial that we showed up today. Mean it's definitely disappointing when you we walk. Like he punched the button you know not rebel -- You know and I -- not -- that's what happened not so what we. Who walked out that in -- mountain. Lou we didn't recover from. You're on. That's what at this point about it is you know we know how talented this is all the talent we have everywhere you -- on the field reports. To be out there and you know. I'm not make plays guitar and you know not every everybody not everybody. Didn't so what we had our defense played well you know it doesn't it below par but our defense played well. You know we we had turnovers and all of that that put them and that the twenty yard line. Not a bit everything record total to vote any time a decent but when that we have to do better than not that we don't give up on and off from yesterday. And they got out of so you know that that's almost all of -- The game yesterday you know it was probably the worst offensive -- form thump and a part of up in buffalo. You know any time we played -- bad. You're gonna get beat like we did on scoreboard this. It you understand you've cut -- -- and some pretty bad offensive performances unfortunately over the years that -- say that you think this song was the worst the some pretty hideous games you've been and unfortunately right. Yeah and you know we come and we had turnovers we we couldn't protect he did you know we got or that what -- -- today. You know we didn't run the ball work late. We'll tell you today and you you become one dimensional got to go to tee off. You know unfortunately for you did you know you can which has them mostly eat today or. We don't do anything to help themselves. You know that was a bad performance -- you know we we better. Did -- turnaround soon. You know edit its -- promised -- -- make sure that. No god so this week to practice you know more focus and get a chance Obama. Drexel or we can have a repeat performance right there there's noticed chicken. I want to ask about each day obviously because he he was. He was so bad yesterday. How much I know you said it's not just DJ. But let's face it the offense and the team really follows it's it's a cue from the quarterback so how much of a step back was yesterday in his development process. Well I mean it definitely hurt you know it's stuff up and down examples of a -- young quarterback. You know when will we don't know anything that help limit and often units. He's got a stroke you know when he didn't hit you know every time he dark -- as the ball that's going to be -- but you know and either young guys that that just been purposely doesn't have children Easter present different instructors. -- column. You know Tampa to a lot of different looks you know they've they've started a rugby shirts or -- we make it's that they make it's so. You know it's. This. Good -- bad part of being you know and let's hope for a better you know when you lose you're gonna get the blame when you win you get a -- -- Unfortunately a lot like yesterday he's gonna get a lot of blame you know with with the way that you know like China. You worry about a young quarterback like that and how much his confidence can be shaken after a day like that. -- always. -- -- -- -- I have a performance the way you know not only him you know us as an office unit we have to come back and I'll continue to go to worked out I'm talking this morning and already. You know he's ready to so to go back and look at what he can do better. He's article wanna meet with the -- So no I'm not worried about him. You know not at all you know he's gonna continue to work you know as a finger at not taking them trying to keep them -- -- -- yeah now that trigger does that. You know you got -- we're gonna all over this season you know you know and therefore actual so. You know we got to keep him and you know and I hit it won't -- -- -- do -- You know woody young quarterback it's -- and a veteran captain on the -- and he's somebody -- -- that we stated in the amount of where we're bottom an -- back on percent. Fred Jackson -- as those running back your bills football money your calls coming up and a few moments 8030550. So -- Marron. Kept the locker room closed for a little while after the game yesterday apparently gave. You when your teammates a chance to clear the air vent whatever have the floor what did you guys talk about. Well I mean I wanted him to veto this because a lot of this you know we wanna keep an -- out but it was just about you know being that we needed to do. You know to get this thing turned around and what we thought of you know what was going on its. He gave you know people go to the floor you know and right now put it out there awarded and that they've got to be there are. To get this then turn around a little -- so. You know that that was just the gist of you know. -- that's why I know that you know gotten her are in history to win. We believe we will find out what -- made for the rest of the season. When -- -- to come play you know and I think we we have a team that's a resilient team and we -- out there. Maybe this goes back Fred to hear your comments. In all about the team a few moments ago but I was -- do you worry at all about previous teams and how you feel this team is still different. Do you worry at all when you reach this point. Really to gut wrenching losses one was close and really -- this when you just were blown out. Do you worry at all about finger pointing and guys had and some internal issues now cropping up when you get to a point like this. Not at all you know I think. Certain important is -- gonna get anything done I think it's about. With fifteen -- -- Gaza gonna. Are actually gonna you know Gordon being in the opposite direction not a got an -- at fox sports are not going -- gonna. I'll do whatever it whatever it is that they can't to make you know their teammates up easier you know enough. That's what I expect from listing of you know and not being in this locker room know been around. Not I have no role you know. No question -- got -- gonna show up you know not point a finger at anybody else and you know look at themselves an American Amir and see what it is that. We can do is injured individuals to make this team that. Fred Jackson is for a cup moments here on no bills football Monday the running game never got going yesterday Fred what happened they had any ideas why. We only got five carries total which I -- follow up in the second but overall you guys weren't able to get going any ideas why. Basically we just didn't stick with it early in the game in the Arctic -- -- -- of one dimensional the only time media you know it's hard to get things start. -- Well we don't have a lot of plays on in general you know or corporate not yet turnovers that they like their anger at. There aren't going to be many touches for anybody so. You know when you get behind that they were behind 1731. Point you know you gotta start on a curveball and get back into wouldn't. You know that's another reason running game and in what -- did and didn't get go. So the five carries was not I I was wondering if maybe if the game gets out of hand -- think and I don't need to have Fred beat up. -- the five carries woods was not related to that. Might not not that I know you know I wouldn't think that he not been known billionaires -- -- competing anyway we -- You know it don't matter what the score is -- gonna try and a football game and you know I don't think -- you know part of the reason why don't. One let's say when asked about -- I thought Fred he's done a good job this year for the most part of getting the ball out seemed like yesterday there were times where he held on. Too long. Where where may be had a pocket -- enough time to get it out. Even the one on the low snap I thought he recovered and had some time to get the ball out and didn't did you feel that that that he was holding a little too long yesterday. At some point you know. It yet again we gotta give Tampa Bay's coverage you know velvet -- -- Covert action. -- really just have to get over it get open receivers. You know he'll continue to work on stuff like that you know that at least -- that they evaluate today looking at Salomon. -- where I got there we didn't do anything and well you know the outcome -- You know we gotta get that taken care for him be successful. Fred as always thanks for coming all of us appreciate your time this morning and good luck getting things back together this -- good luck at Jacksonville. Thanks opportunity haven't -- My my pleasure Fred thank you Fred Jackson joining us here on bills football Monday and if you did joined in a little bit lane and you wanna hear the entire conversation we will be available on demand audio. 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